Is rape natural?

[Napoléon]

Watch it boy

Sorry I can't find it, do you wan't to get the magnifying glass out?



Ah I should really think about doing comedy.

[Gambit]

How would you of reacted if the second you pressed 1 you were actually banned?
I think I'd feel a mixture of bemusement, shock, confusion and disdain.

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Small willy?

Watch it boy, I'm a quarter Irish and my mushroom slaps are world renowned. -.-

It's no biggie... I'm referring to Raph's comment, not Napo's. -_- I would simply continue the convo on FB and further allude to Shell wanting to tickle my lucky charms. She'd probably tell me to fuck off and review her book on Amazon, at which stage I'd say "No, harpy, get your English super stud (pfft) to do it."

[Shell B]

I already did, Mo breath.

[Gambit]

I already did, Mo breath.

Yet you still come crawling to me. Let me just sit back and bathe in my awesomeness. Hold on, nearly there. No, I need some more time to truly appreciate the fucking pure, unadulterated, orgasmic and indubitable prouesses sexuelles, up in here.

[Reforged]

Watch it boy, I'm a quarter Irish and my mushroom slaps are world renowned. -.-

Yeah, because they are by necessity both a mushroom slap and a teabag.

Only if time travel is possible in the future and an 80 year old doppelganger of myself has been causing mischief without my knowledge.

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Watch it boy

Sorry I can't find it, do you wan't to get the magnifying glass out?



Ah I should really think about doing comedy.

Thats because you're not looking in the right place.
Here, let me help you.
*ziiiiiip*
*FLOP*
*SLAP*
See? Don't worry, the bruise will fade in about a year.

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I already did, Mo breath.

Yet you still come crawling to me. Let me just sit back and bathe in my awesomeness. Hold on, nearly there. No, I need some more time to truly appreciate the fucking pure, unadulterated, orgasmic and indubitable prouesses sexuelles, up in here.

Oh right?
Let us know when you're done picturing a neutered pit-bull then won't you?

[Tempus]

Can't believe I read this whole thread.

[Napoléon]

Can't believe I read this whole thread.

And you didn't give me kudos for my awesome posts?

I am disappoint.

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*ziiiiiip*
*FLOP*

Notice how mine makes a distinctive 'flop' sound.

That's because it actually weighs something.

[Rayaan]

And you didn't give me kudos for my awesome posts?

I am disappoint.

But that is natural!

[Whateverist]

As it has pointed out, just because something is "natural" does not make it okay, and this is why the defense of rape as a "natural" occurrence does not mean it is justifiable.

I have a feeling that anyone who is using this argument is doing so in a facetious manner to highlight what they see as the problem against saying homosexuality is natural. The difference here is that one of the arguments against homosexuality is that it is unnatural and therefore against god's will, and as we all know, it occurs in nature fairly often. The argument that homosexuality is natural is merely a response to a claim made by the other side, and it is not intended to justify it by equating natural with morally good.

Yes, humans are animals, albeit the highest on the hirearchy of intellectual capacity, and most likely the human desire to rape is a leftover effect of our instinctive desire to pass on our genetic material. This, however, says nothing about whether it is morally good or bad, which is where the argument that rape is "natural" falls flat.

Well anyone who thinks homosexual rape is a good plan for spreading genetic material is a little screwy. Everyone knows you can't make a baby in the poop chute. Leastwise I've been telling the missus that for years and, bless her heart, she still takes it like a man.

[Creed of Heresy]

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Here's an interesting wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiolog...es_of_rape

Particularly this:

Naturalistic fallacy

Thornhill and Palmer write that "Rape is viewed as a natural, biological phenomenon that is a product of the human evolutionary heritage". They further state that they "emphasize that by categorizing a behavior as "natural" and "biological" we do not in any way mean to imply that the behavior is justified or even inevitable. Biological means "of or pertaining to life," so the word applies to every human feature and behavior. But to infer from that, as many of our critics assert that we do, that what is biological is somehow right or good, would be to fall into the so-called naturalistic fallacy." They make a comparison to "natural disasters as epidemics, floods and tornadoes". This shows that what can be found in nature is not always good and that measures should be and are taken against natural phenomena. They further argue that a good knowledge of the causes of rape, including evolutionary ones, are necessary in order to develop effective preventive measures.[5]
Evolutionary psychologists McKibbin et al. argue that the claim that evolutionary theories are justifying rape is a fallacy in the same way it would be a fallacy to accuse the scientists doing research on the causes of cancer of justifying cancer. Instead, they say understanding the causes of rape may help create preventive measures.[6]

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Yeah, I actually cited this back in like...page 2 or something.

As to whether or not I am deflecting or incapable of answering your question...a little from column A, a little from column B. I had it in my head that I was going to bring this up as rape being unnatural meaning unnatural to the standard of common (but obviously not universal; pretty sure there is no such thing actually) human morality. "Most of us don't therefore it can't be natural because it's not a primary drive" sort of thing but after consideration I realize I...well, I don't know. As you quoted on the dictionary, the 10th definition could fit to rapists in the sense that rape is natural, but then, definition 9: " Established by moral certainty or conviction" kinda works with me in saying that, based on established moral certainty or conviction, no, rape is not natural.

I guess I'm saying that on a moral level it's not natural.