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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 3:16 am
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I've always wondered whether a gay person would leave the love of their life, their soul mate, the person they insist they would ''marry'' if the law permited...
...if that person changed gender.
...if they lost their visually distinctive masculine/feminine features.
...if that person discovered they were really bi-sexual or heterosexual rather than homosexual.
The insistence by some/many gay people that they simply cannot BE anything other than gay, seems to say that their homosexual relationships
are only skin-deep (genitalia) and are dependent upon their partner being sufficiently "same-sex". It seems to be a BARRIER to unconditional love.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 3:30 am
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By that logic, your presumed heterosexuality is the same thing.
Now, being obvious about this, sexual attraction is very physical. I love my friends, but am not sexually attracted to them. If I were, I would have sex with them. Well, maybe not, but you see where I am going with this.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 3:44 am
I've never been sexually attracted to a man. My only make homosexual friend has never found females attractive.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 4:01 am
(August 23, 2012 at 3:30 am)Shell B Wrote: By that logic, you presumed heterosexuality is the same thing.
Now, being obvious about this, sexual attraction is very physical. I love my friends, but am not sexually attracted to them. If I were, I would have sex with them. Well, maybe not, but you see where I am going with this.
Yes. And you're on the cusp of a counter argument that is potentially problematic for me. I almost broached it in my post but wanted to see some responses first.
I dislike straw arguments as much as the next guy.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 4:02 am
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I think that is usually the case unless you are bi. Some of us have fantasies and whatnot, but are not actually physically attracted to the opposite sex beyond fantasy. It's not a cut and dry place, but I don't think having a sexuality is somehow limiting who you can love. I also think Lion's little plan backfired on him.
(August 23, 2012 at 4:01 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Yes. And you're on the cusp of a counter argument that is potentially problematic for me. I almost broached it in my post but wanted to see some responses first.
I dislike straw arguments as much as the next guy.
It was not a "straw argument." You brought up a point that would apply to both homosexuality and heterosexuality. That's just backing yourself into a corner.
I'm not on the cusp. I nailed it. The only honest positions you have are to retract your statement or to admit that you too are bound by these statements that you intended to sound distasteful. Sorry, pal.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 4:27 am
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I wasn't suggesting that YOU had proposed a strawman argument.
Rather, that I was trying to avoid the accusation MYSELF
I accept that I'm bound by my statements.
No retracting just yet.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 8:26 am
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(August 23, 2012 at 12:00 am)sleep Wrote: Also, if I was like the picture of those two guys holding hands, I wouldn't be ashamed of myself. They're masculine and can fit into society, and beat anyone who disagrees with them to a pulp.
Lot of self hate in that sentence. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
(August 23, 2012 at 12:00 am)sleep Wrote: They have nothing to worry about and not as much to be ashamed of, except for the fact that it appears they're in like a gay pride event and parading around like sexual objects.
Look at that picture again. You totally dreamed that scenario up.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 8:32 am
Sleep, you are a fucking coward. All I think you need is a good fuck.
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 8:37 am
(August 23, 2012 at 8:32 am)frankiej Wrote: Sleep, you are a fucking coward. All I think you need is a good fuck.
You may have hit the problem Frankiej: Who would oblige him?
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RE: Atheist and ex-gay?
August 23, 2012 at 8:52 am
(August 23, 2012 at 1:16 am)aleialoura Wrote: Thanks for being a prick! I was dying for someone to verbally assault. You seem very angry. People say that I have emotional, mood, and anger issues. I feel like yelling at people a lot too.
Anyway I did think about my OP a bit and I realize that although it may seem true, I think I'm just bitter because most people reject me and mock me and hate me. Most gay men do too. The only ones who ever asked me out or liked me were the ugly desperate ones. It just makes me mad that I could never fit in or be considered cool by anyone. I've been told that I'm "projecting my self-hatred" onto everyone else. Maybe so, but I wouldn't have that self-hatred if everyone wasn't so mean to me to begin with.
It still seems a hell of a lot easier to be straight, though. I always feel paranoid now. That I'm too feminine, that it's too obvious that I'm gay, that I'm hiding something, and I can't really help it. I don't even want to talk to anyone anymore or go out in public.
I'm 19, I turn 20 in two months.
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