[split] Neil Armstrong Dead

[Lion IRC]

In the 1960s, the US sent mankind into space, landed on the moon and was a country admired for its determination, exploration and ability to push scientific boundaries. In 2012 some states do not teach evolution.

Why bother teaching evolution?

It's only two sentences.

Random spooky stuff happens spontaneously. (mysterious mutation)

Plants/Animals adapt to changes over time. (Natural selection)

The bigger regret for me comparing 1960 with 2012 is this...

Looking for water (cost $386 million)



Looking for water (cost - unfunded)

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Pushing scientific boundaries?

Dont make me puke in my mouth!

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Pushing scientific boundaries?

Dont make me puke in my mouth!

Strawman fallacy;the two are unconnected. Just like saying "they can put a man on the moon but can't find a cure for (insert favourite illness or disease) "

Mohandas Gandhi said; "there is enough for every man's need, but not enough for every man's greed"


That we (that includes you and me) allow millions of human beings to starve to death or die for want of potable water has nothing to do with 'the boundaries of science' and every thing to do with self interest,greed and indifference


Kindly take your humbug self righteous indignation and shove it up your arse.

[Zen Badger]

In the 1960s, the US sent mankind into space, landed on the moon and was a country admired for its determination, exploration and ability to push scientific boundaries. In 2012 some states do not teach evolution.

Why bother teaching evolution?

It's only two sentences.

Random spooky stuff happens spontaneously. (mysterious mutation)

Plants/Animals adapt to changes over time. (Natural selection)

Because it's true, that's why.

The bigger regret for me comparing 1960 with 2012 is this...

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Looking for water (cost $386 million)



Looking for water (cost - unfunded)

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Pushing scientific boundaries?

Dont make me puke in my mouth!

But you have no problem with this?


And thanks for taking a memorial to a great man and turning into your own little rant.

As to Neil, no matter what humanity does, not matter where it goes in the universe, he will always be the first to stand on another world.

[Cyberman]

We have no need to look for water on Mars. There is ample evidence that liquid water once flowed there and very good evidence that it has done so recently, perhaps even as we speak. That was not the purpose of any of the Mars missions. (Also there were no successful probe missions in 1960; certainly no landings and definitely not Martian ones. Your knowledge of the history of space exploration appears to be as skewed as your knowledge of biblical history.)

Notwithstanding this Luddite attitude to the acqusition of human knowledge, consider this. Where do you suppose all this money that funds space exploration is spent? I'll give you a clue: you live on it. If you're as concerned as you wish to appear about the very real plight of the poorest people in the world, do what I do and get up off your arse and contribute to charities that actually try to alleviate such suffering. Let's try to make a real difference by making sure that the aid actually goes to the people who need it to survive, instead of being creamed off by the links in the chain, from corrupt rebel forces to random tinpot warlords out to make a legacy for themselves by standing on the skeletons of the people they oppress.

Or you could try praying, if you want to pretend you're trying to do everything to help short of actually doing anything to help.

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And thanks for taking a memorial to a great man and turning into your own little rant.

I actually threw up in my mouth when our friend did that.

As to Neil, no matter what humanity does, not matter where it goes in the universe, he will always be the first to stand on another world.

Indeed. It's a record that still stands to this day.

However, did you know that Buzz Aldrin was and always wil be the first man to urinate on another world?

[Lion IRC]

Pushing scientific boundaries?

Dont make me puke in my mouth!

Strawman fallacy;the two are unconnected. Just like saying "they can put a man on the moon but can't find a cure for (insert favourite illness or disease) "

What are you talking about? There no fallacy in saying money would be better spent elsewhere. I'm not saying we CANT provide clean water for a mother and her baby. I'M SAYING WE CAN !!!

Kindly take your humbug self righteous indignation and shove it up your arse.

No, actually you are asking me to shove it up these peoples'

[Cyberman]

And I'm saying the money is spent elsewhere, as well as funding space missions. The money that put the Eagle on the Moon was spent here, on Earth, where it got recycled into the economy. Whether it was a strawman fallacy or not I don't know, sometimes I find it hard to keep up with you lot. However, I do recognise a fallacy of equivocation when I see it. You're implying, no actually you're stating outright, that there is a pot of money which can either go to feed the genuinely hungry of the world or get frittered away on pointless space missions. Why are there so many people around with binary brains? Not everything is either black or white, you know. Ever heard of shades of grey (and I don't mean the book)?

Yes, money goes into funding space missions. Money also goes into funding aid for the starving people of the world. What about all the money spent making all those Hollywood blockbusters every year? I guarantee, there's more cash changing hands in the creation of one summer's crop of new films than the entire space exploration budget for the year, or longer. Why aren't you protesting the new Spiderman and pointless Total Recall remakes? How many bellies do you reckon could be filled with those sort of budgets?

Incidentally, I also recognise appeals to emotion. We're all painfully well aware of the terrible plight of these poor people. Posting emotionally-charged pictures isn't doing anything to help. I have no magic wand to make it all go away; if I had, I would use it without a second thought, because that's the kind of guy I am. I really, genuinely want to take all the innocent and hurting people in the world into my arms and make everything better; I'm on record elsewhere as saying this. Why do you insist on playing the guilt-trip card? What have you done lately to help the poor kids in those photos?

[Lion IRC]

But you have no problem with this?

Whats wrong with thousands of people putting money into church collection bowls - it's called charity.

It helps run soup kitchens and homeless shelters and clean water projects....HERE ON EARTH!

[Cyberman]

I expect you'll get around to considering my words once you've finished playing the poor martyred hero. Your good-guy-type white hat's looking a bit tatty at the moment though.

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@ mods: can we split this thread please? This is not about paying tribute to a great historic figure anymore.

[Anomalocaris]

But you have no problem with this?

Whats wrong with thousands of people putting money into church collection bowls - it's called charity.

It helps run soup kitchens and homeless shelters and clean water projects....HERE ON EARTH!

Rather than attempt to twist the outcome of the search for knowledge, this low class monkey brained anti-scientist comes right out and argues for outright complacence in ignorance.

And as expected, touts the false charity of 99% outright deceit and 1% self-deluding feel-good perpetuation of ignorance of christianity, of the type that leads as surely as night follows day to the knocking out the pillar out from the necessary platform for continued existence of entire mankind.

[Minimalist]

Whats wrong with thousands of people putting money into church collection bowls - it's called charity.

Bullshit.... it's called another Rolls-Royce for some cocksucking preacher.

How fucking naive are you?