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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 1:54 am
(September 4, 2012 at 1:40 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 10:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: What can I say, but credit my audience for their spectacular mental deficiencies.
Yes, it's the fault of the audience. How dare they reject your ideas, how dare they actually point out how flawed your thinking is, how dare anyone believe anything other than what you think to be correct when in fact it sounds like the drivel the religious spew forth about atheists on a daily basis.
Get fuck over yourself, you tool.
I have not seen a single post point out a flaw in my thinking.
In fact, aside from apothecary (or something), I don't think anyone has even dared to engage any of my serious posts in any cogent, coherent manner. C-D tried once, a while back, but he became butthurt for some reason or another.
Honestly, you sound deluded, amico mio.
Focus on the arguments, not on your fantasies.
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 2:31 am
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 2:32 am
LOL "for some reason or another". You know precisely why I won't engage you seriously. But please, go ahead and be a disingenuous twat and claim you don't.
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 3:07 am
(September 4, 2012 at 1:54 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I have not seen a single post point out a flaw in my thinking.
What. The. Fuck?
What colour is the sky where you are?
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 3:43 am
(September 4, 2012 at 1:54 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I have not seen a single post point out a flaw in my thinking.
And you're blaming us for your poor eyesight?
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 9:40 am
(September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am)stephenmills1000 Wrote: Would you agree then that a conscious being able to create the universe, must necessarily have greater power and knowledge than that within the universe which would otherwise be or would be the most powerful and/or most knowledgable?
Nope. There is no justification for this.
(September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am)stephenmills1000 Wrote: This gives us a being of great power and intelligence; a independent being itself, which humans and all of existence are contingent upon (thus objective). This, to me at least, makes for (literally) a great authority. This was essentially what was meant from:
Quote:In examining those attributes then, wouldn't it be altogether rational to deem such an independent being as a viable authority in our lives?
Except, you are using the word "objective" incorrectly here and you simply have no idea what this being could be contingent upon.
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 9:48 am
(September 4, 2012 at 9:40 am)genkaus Wrote: (September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am)stephenmills1000 Wrote: Would you agree then that a conscious being able to create the universe, must necessarily have greater power and knowledge than that within the universe which would otherwise be or would be the most powerful and/or most knowledgable?
Nope. There is no justification for this.
(September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am)stephenmills1000 Wrote: This gives us a being of great power and intelligence; a independent being itself, which humans and all of existence are contingent upon (thus objective). This, to me at least, makes for (literally) a great authority. This was essentially what was meant from:
Except, you are using the word "objective" incorrectly here and you simply have no idea what this being could be contingent upon.
This was not an argument to justify such a being's existence, only the attributes it would necessarily possess to be what was described previously. You may freely treat it hypothetically. Also, if the being was contingent upon something else, then that being would have greater power, and thus be the subject of this discussion.
In that light, would you agree then?
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 10:32 am
(September 4, 2012 at 8:59 am)stephenmills1000 Wrote: Would you agree then that a conscious being able to create the universe, must necessarily have greater power and knowledge than that within the universe which would otherwise be or would be the most powerful and/or most knowledgable?
This... just this... is reason enough to ditch your theism.
If the universe can't possibly be explained without a creator... how can something more complex than the universe escape that same necessity?
It can't. Accept that, and welcome to atheism.
Y'welcome. 
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RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 4, 2012 at 10:43 am
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A major nitpick with the idea that any god would simply have to possess greater power and knowledge (or whatever) than what it created. Specifically with regards to a "got the ball rolling" god.
Suppose this god sparked some event approx 13.75 billion years ago, the level of complexity that has emerged since then from the multitudes of interactions and including sentient things such as ourselves could easily surpass whatever was involved in that event.
To use a more "down to earth" example. Just because some entity is capable of doing something that we aren't doesn't make it wise or powerful. Plants engage in photosynthesis without any consciousness, "power" or knowledge whatsoever, and yet we are unable to replicate the activity. Perhaps this "ball rolling god" sparking the universe did so in the same manner that a plant converts UV in useful energy. Not through knowledge or power (or even intent) but as a function of it's machinery.
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