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Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
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Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
This is my edited version of a paper I wrote when I was an undergrad. I reformatted it to make it more conversational and less focused on the selected topic.

Suggestions welcome:

Skepticism plays an important role in the atheist's worldview. So does reason. However, a coherent worldview can only be formed with the combination of the two. Rational skepticism is the holy grail of the atheist perspective on the world. Here the atheist has to be wary of two extremes, not just one. In being a skeptic, it's almost natural to know not to be too trusting. But how many know that it's equally problematic to be too skeptical?

The problem of uncontrolled skepticism is evident for even the beginner philosopher. No doubt, early in their philosophical life exposed to Descartes' methodological skepticism, the reader of Descartes' work is treated to what appears to be the slow unraveling of a person's sanity, if it were not just an exercise. Yes- here you see, that unreasonable, unmanaged skepticism leads to a sort of insanity. You start to question your own thoughts, your own reasons, your own needs, desires, beliefs, until you don't know what it is you believe any more. This, I believe is where the shrewd theist attacks the skeptic. He might point out that the skeptic's own skepticism is irrational as he takes his own skepticism by faith and fails to doubt it: "Why aren't you a skeptic of your skepticism?" He will ask.

Or he might try a different tack. He might point to the infinite skeptical regress as a reason to dismiss skepticism as a serious position. "But doesn't being skeptical about something mean you have to be skeptical of your skepticism, then be skeptical of your skepticism of your skepticism, then be skeptical of your skepticism of your skepticism of your...."

You get the point.

Evidently, this shows that skepticism on its own is a self-contradictory, irrational position to take. If you are merely a skeptic, you are merely irrational. If you want your skepticism to be rational, it needs to be combined with other axioms of a coherent worldview. These axioms combined with skepticism will give us a worldview that will rescue us from the Cartesian doubt of yore by giving it boundaries. It will give us meaningful beliefs and truths that we don't have to question so that we can live functionally. Among the truths we need to protect from skeptical inquiry are:

1) Do we exist?
2) Is the world around us real?
3) Are our intuitions trustable?
4) Is it justified to reject belief in God?

etc.

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(I have a list of axioms that I will go into further depth on later. But I want to know specifically if atheists are following me here, and they think there are any other truths that need to be protected in other to preserve a coherent worldview while being a skeptic. Let me know.)
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#2
RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
Care to explain how one might leverage skepticism against skepticisim? Would that be like "not believing in not believing"? lol.

Why do any of those truths need to be protected?
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RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
wouldn't logic also be necessary for a coherent worldview?
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RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
I'm following you, yes. I've given much thought to the subject in an attempt to be as consistent and rational in my views as possible.

The axioms that I consciously use are these:

A1) Reality exists. (tautological as per the definition of reality)
A2) Reality is observable. (the converse, while not self-refuting, puts one in a rather untenable position)
A3) I exist. (I believe the converse is sufficiently self-refuting to make this a useful and defensible axiom)

A2 does not imply that a particular observer may observe all of reality, of course. The observer must be properly located (spatially, temporally, etc) and be equipped with necessary sensory organs or technology to make an observation.

It's my opinion that pure reason is limited, and that empiricism and reason must be used together to maximize the value of observation. I'll add that individual observation is not necessarily trustworthy and should not be treated as such unless independently and vigorously confirmed, and that it is reasonable to conclude the the probability that an observation reflects reality correlates to the quality of confirmation.

(August 31, 2012 at 1:49 am)idunno Wrote: wouldn't logic also be necessary for a coherent worldview?

Logic falls under the umbrella of reason, which the OP addressed.
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#5
RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
quite right, overlooked that because it wasn't in the list at the bottom (all spelled out for me)
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RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
(August 31, 2012 at 1:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: Care to explain how one might leverage skepticism against skepticisim? Would that be like "not believing in not believing"? lol.

Why do any of those truths need to be protected?

Good questions. And all in once piece!

When you decide to be skeptical of a claim, you implicitly justify the skepticism with the belief that "it is better to be skeptical than not to be skeptical of a given claim". Let's call this 'axiom S' as a nickname. Axiom S, if true, is a good, solid reason to be a skeptic. So if you believe Axiom S to be true, you believe it is true that it's better to be a skeptic.

But the question is, why should you believe that axiom S is true? After all, if axiom S is true, and you should be skeptical of claims, doesn't that mean that you should be skeptical of axiom S? After all, axiom S is the claim that "it is better to be skeptical than not skeptical of a given claim".

So if you are a skeptic about everything, you will have to be a skeptic about your skepticism too. This is a clearly a problem for a skeptic. It makes you irrational to be a skeptic.

But you asked a second question: Why do certain truths need to be protected? I presume you are referring to the truths I listed.

Well, think about it- would you be able to rationally justify anything you did if you didn't really exist? How about if the world around us was not real? Would you still feel obligated to obey the laws? And if you couldn't trust your intuitions, how could you make any decision, or believe anything in cases where you go by intuition?

All these things are necessary foundational beliefs for your everyday life. If you don't believe any of these things are true, you can't have a functional existence. This is why you have to find a way to protect them. To keep skepticism from putting them into doubt, and thus destroying any rational basis for doing anything with your life. This will take you to a hardcore sort of existential nihilism if you can't put a boundary on skepticism.

(August 31, 2012 at 1:49 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I'm following you, yes. I've given much thought to the subject in an attempt to be as consistent and rational in my views as possible.

The axioms that I consciously use are these:

A1) Reality exists. (tautological as per the definition of reality)
A2) Reality is observable. (the converse, while not self-refuting, puts one in a rather untenable position)
A3) I exist. (I believe the converse is sufficiently self-refuting to make this a useful and defensible axiom)

A2 does not imply that a particular observer may observe all of reality, of course. The observer must be properly located (spatially, temporally, etc) and be equipped with necessary sensory organs or technology to make an observation.

It's my opinion that pure reason is limited, and that empiricism and reason must be used together to maximize the value of observation. I'll add that individual observation is not necessarily trustworthy and should not be treated as such unless independently and vigorously confirmed, and that it is reasonable to conclude the the probability that an observation reflects reality correlates to the quality of confirmation.

(August 31, 2012 at 1:49 am)idunno Wrote: wouldn't logic also be necessary for a coherent worldview?

Logic falls under the umbrella of reason, which the OP addressed.

Good! I'm not alone here! All this time I thought this would sound like gibberish to everybody!

A3 is clearly defensible rationally provided you define yourself minimally as consciousness, or a mind. As soon as you start to add extraneous properties like "I exist, and I am a male, or I am white, or I have two hands", skepticism automatically gobbles all those properties up. What if your senses are mistaken? What if you are hallucinating? What if you are a brain in a vat?

Skepticism is a hungry beast. It only leaves us with our most basic essence of existence: Our minds.

So as far as I can see, A3 can only say "I exist and I can be sure that I am a mind, possibly more".

To bring the rest of our properties into reality, I imagine A2 comes in. You believe your properties are real, because you believe A2. So you go from a disembodied mind, to a full human being.

Is this the same way you approach it so far?
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RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
Except that I don't believe it's better. I'm simply a skeptical person. It's useful, but I don't have to believe in it's usefulness. What would be irrational about being skeptical with regards to skepticism? I am, my skepticism has no effect on the truth of any given matter presented to me. I might be skeptical of something that is rock solid.

Would I have to rationally justify anything I did if I didn't exist? Whether or not I feel obligated to follow a law has very little to do with whether or not the world is real.............and I don't trust my intuitions..almost as a rule..because surprise, surprise...I seem to have been given a faulty set of intuitions (just like the majority of humanity).

I don't believe in any of these things Vinny, and yet I have a functional existence. I'm very aware of the problems with each of these propositions.

(I find it incredibly unsatisfying that you're attempting to avoid those problems by turning these propositions into axioms. If these things are so integral to your life, your rational justifications, then perhaps you should find a way to more convincingly demonstrate them? Is there any problem that can't be "solved" by simply claiming "It's an axiom"? Sigh.)
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(August 31, 2012 at 2:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: Except that I don't believe it's better. I'm simply a skeptical person. It's useful, but I don't have to believe in it's usefulness. What would be irrational about being skeptical with regards to skepticism? I am, my skepticism has no effect on the truth of any given matter presented to me. I might be skeptical of something that is rock solid.

Would I have to rationally justify anything I did if I didn't exist? Whether or not I feel obligated to follow a law has very little to do with whether or not the world is real.............and I don't trust my intuitions..almost as a rule..because surprise, surprise...I seem to have been given a faulty set of intuitions (just like the majority of humanity).

I don't believe in any of these things Vinny, and yet I have a functional existence. I'm very aware of the problems with each of these propositions

(I find it incredibly unsatisfying that you're attempting to avoid those problems by turning these propositions into axioms. If these things are so integral to your life, your rational justifications, then perhaps you should find a way to more convincingly demonstrate them? Is there any problem that can't be "solved" by simply claiming "It's an axiom"? Sigh.)

So your skepticism is not rational, it's simply a part of your personality. This is a remarkable admission. Refreshingly honest. Every one of us with egos strains to say they are trying to be rational, but you are openly defending your skepticism not on the basis of reason, but on the basis of yourself. C'est beautiful!

So you have to tell us then, why do you do what you do? What motivates you? Is it reason? Is it truth? Or is it hedonism and feelings? The latter is certainly not an inferior choice. In fact it's better than an appeal to reason and truth, because it's honest.
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RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)
I wouldn't know Vinny, I don't give it much thought. I don't know I'd go so far as to say my skepticism isn't rational though, simply because it's a part of my nature. Perhaps being reasonable is also a part of my nature. By the by, I was going to ask you this last post. Aren't you expressing skepticism about skepticism? Pretty sure I was defending skepticism on the basis of it's usefulness btw.

I think you jumped the gun on this one, sorry.
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RE: Formulating a rational defense of skepticism (a work in progress)



This is from Graham Priest's book, Beyond The Limits Of Thought, a text on dialetheism for the general reader. (If you don't have patience for philosophy, the main thrust of things can be got somewhat from the final section, starting with its third paragraph.)

There is one short section (two paragraphs) that includes some symbolic logic (rendered as an image, with red lines above and below). However, the content of these two paragraphs is not essential to understanding the whole, so feel free to skip them.

At one point I use the symbol '' as a stand-in for the turnstiles, but the English language equivalent is also given. (x y means y is provable from x)




3.2 Sextus' argument for skepticism

Sextus compiled and polished all the arguments used for skepticism in both the streams of Greek skepticism. Many of the arguments are ad hominem, against various non-skeptics, and, in particular, the Stoics. However, the corner-stone of his skepticism was a very general argument based on the Tropes of Aenesidemus.

The Tropes are all arguments to the effect that the way things appear is dependent on such things as the sense-organs of the perceiver, other subjective factors, the context of perception, and so on. As a corollary, it follows that the same thing can be perceived in quite different, even contradictory, ways by different perceivers, or the same perceiver at different times. An object, for example, appears large when you are close to it, and small when you are far away. These arguments have largely been absorbed into Western philosophy, and are not now contentious.

What Sextus makes of them is, however, contentious. Sextus argues that because the world (i.e., what is the case) is perceived as different by different observers, one can never infer that the world is so-and-so from the mere fact that it appears so-and-so. What is needed, in addition, is some criterion to distinguish those appearances that are veridical from those that are not (Outlines of Pyrrhonism, I, 114):

Sextus Wrote:For he who prefers one impression to another, or one 'circumstance' to another, does so either uncritically or without proof or critically and with proof; but [if he were to do it uncritically] ... he would be discredited. [So] ... if he is to pass judgment on the impressions he must certainly judge them by some criterion.

But now we have a problem. For we have reason to believe that the results of applying the criterion are correct only if we have reason to believe that the criterion itself is correct. And the criterion is not itself a statement of appearances; hence, if it is justified it must have some rationale or proof; and now the question arises as to what justification we have for believing that proof to be correct. Clearly, to appeal to the criterion at this point would be to beg the question (Outlines of Pyrrhonism, I, 117):

Sextus Wrote:in this way both the criterion and the proof are involved in the circular process of reasoning, and thereby both are found to be untrustworthy; for since each of them is dependent on the credibility of the other, the one is lacking in credibility just as much as the other.

The only other possibility is that we must be able to give another proof of the correctness of this proof. But the question now arises as to the justification of this proof. Clearly, we are embarked on a regress; and if the regress is not to be terminated illicitly by appealing to the very criterion we were supposed to be justifying, it must go to infinity. But then it is vicious. For then there is no way that we could ever establish that the criterion, or any proof in the series, is correct (Outlines of Pyrrhonism, I, 122f.):

Sextus Wrote:if he [who is trying to justify the criterion] asserts that the proof is true he will be asked for a proof of its truth, and again, for a proof of this latter proof, since it also must be true, and so on ad infinitum. But to produce proofs to infinity is impossible; so that neither by the use of proofs will he be able to prefer one sense-impression to another.

Thus, there is no way of justifying the claim that one set of appearances, as opposed to another, is a better indication of how things are. And hence there is no reasonable belief about how things are, as opposed to appear.

3.3 Analysis of the argument

Sextus' argument is an intriguing one. It has a major flaw, however. It assumes that our beliefs about how things are, are all obtained from our beliefs about how things appear to be, by applying some filter which lets through only the veridical perceptions. This assumption he took over from the Stoics; and its empiricism cannot be sustained. It can do no justice to our beliefs concerning, for example, mathematics or theoretical science.

However, this observation does not go to the heart of the matter, since there clearly are beliefs about the world that we have, and that we have in pretty much the way that Sextus supposes — at least in a 'rational reconstruction' of the process. For example, I believe that there is a flag on the pole of the building opposite that in which I write; and I believe this because I can see it out of the window. But even in this case Sextus' argument fails: I do have good (though by no means infallible) reason to suppose that there is a flag.

The flaw in Sextus' argument is, I take it, the claim that in order to have reasonable grounds for my belief I need some criterion which vouchsafes my perceptions. This is to misunderstand the relationship between experience and reason. Experience is always a reason for believing that the world is in such and such a way. It is a defeasible reason, and may be defeated by other things. The defeaters may be many and varied. We may know them in advance; for example, I may be aware that my perception at such distances is not reliable. Alternatively, we may learn them afterwards; for example, I may learn that the appearance of a flag is produced by a cunning hologram. If and when the defeaters arise, the experience ceases to be reasonable ground for the belief. But even though the evidence is defeasible, it is evidence, none the less, without further justification.




3.4 Skepticism and self-reference

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....Sextus would seem to be committed to this fact. After all, he spends several hundred pages giving reasons for skepticism. If he does not suppose that he is demonstrating that skepticism is rationally acceptable, what on earth does he think he is doing? We would therefore seem to have a contradiction of the kind characteristic of the limits of thought.

Sextus was aware of this. What was his response? He denied that the arguments show that skepticism is rationally acceptable (that is, the argument to Closure). He claimed that the arguments have rational force until they are deployed. At this point, however, they cease to have force, since they 'destroy themselves'. He put it as follows (Against the Logicians, II, 480-1):

Sextus Wrote:there are many things which produce the same effect on themselves as they produce on other things. Just as, for example, fire after consuming the fuel destroys also itself, and like as purgatives after driving the fluids out of the body expel themselves as well, so too the argument ... can cancel itself also. And again, just as it is not impossible for the man who ascends to a high place to overturn the ladder with his foot after the ascent, so also it is not unlikely that the Sceptic after he has arrived at the demonstration of his thesis by means of the argument ... as it were a step ladder, should then abolish this very argument.

Sextus, then, tried to avoid the contradiction by explicitly bringing time into the issue. Before the force of the arguments is felt, they have force; after, they do not. This solution is not satisfactory. If he were talking about the persuasive content of the arguments — a purely psychological matter — then things could be as the metaphor of the ladder suggests; so that they are persuasive until they are seen to be self-undercutting, by which time their work is done. And Sextus does often talk of the arguments as therapeutic, advanced purely to have the desired psychological effect. But this reply is an ignoratio. For we were not talking about the persuasive power of the arguments, but about their rational force; and this is not a time-dependent matter. If Sextus' arguments worked then they would show that skepticism is rationally acceptable, contrary to his committed position that they are not.

A much better line for him to take would be simply to accept the logic of his own conclusion: that the arguments he uses have no rational force. Nor need this be as embarrassing as it at first appears. For he can quite consistently maintain that the arguments are all intended ad hominem against someone who does not accept skepticism. Against such people, who accept the premises of the arguments, the arguments must have rational force. Against people, such as skeptics, who do not accept the premises, they have no force. This line is advocated, successfully, by the modern-day Pyrrhonian, Feyerabend. In Against Method (1975), Feyerabend uses all kinds of arguments in support of a skeptical position; but he stresses that the arguments are ad hominem.

Sextus is not out of the woods yet, however. Even if he does not think that his arguments show skepticism to be rationally acceptable, he still maintains skepticism. And how can one maintain something that one does not hold to be rationally acceptable? To assert something involves taking on the commitment to support it with rational grounds for supposing it to be (objectively) true if challenged; if one refuses to do this, it voids the act of its social significance. To put it bluntly, such a person can legitimately be ignored. (The point is well argued in Brandom (1983).) By maintaining skepticism Sextus is therefore committed to the view that it is rationally defensible.

Sextus is well aware of this difficulty, too. His solution is simple; he denies that he maintains skepticism. He neither asserts nor denies it. In the state of epoche the skeptic neither asserts nor denies anything (Outlines of Pyrrhonism, I, 192):

Sextus Wrote:Non-assertion ... is avoidance of assertion in the general sense in which it includes both affirmation and negation, so that non-assertion is a mental condition of ours because of which we refuse either to affirm or to deny anything.

Unfortunately Sextus now appears to be asserting something else (to the effect that he is not asserting anything); and this is equally contradictory. Sextus could maintain that he is not really asserting this either. But this would be (a) equally contradictory; and (b) disingenuous. For, in making this utterance, Sextus does intend us thereby to believe that he asserts nothing; and this is exactly what assertion amounts to. Hence, Sextus' attempts to avoid the contradiction at the limit of cognition work only by generating a contradiction at the limit of the expressible. His claim that he is not asserting anything is, by his own view, not something he is asserting (Transcendence). But he is asserting it (Closure). We have here, for the first time, a phenomenon that will become familiar: the attempt to avoid the contradiction at one limit of thought forces one into a contradiction at another.





“Where am I, or what? From what causes do I derive my existence, and to what condition shall I return? ... I am confounded with all these questions, and begin to fancy myself in the most deplorable condition imaginable, environed with the deepest darkness, and utterly deprived of the use of every member and faculty.

Most fortunately it happens, that since Reason is incapable of dispelling these clouds, Nature herself suffices to that purpose, and cures me of this philosophical melancholy and delirium, either by relaxing this bent of mind, or by some avocation, and lively impression of my senses, which obliterate all these chimeras. I dine, I play a game of backgammon, I converse, and am merry with my friends. And when, after three or four hours’ amusement, I would return to these speculations, they appear so cold, and strained, and ridiculous, that I cannot find in my heart to enter into them any farther.”


— David Hume



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