Hundreds of proofs of nothing!

[MeasH]

Not to preach against Christianity, but I recently found a very, very, very long list that was written by a variate number of people titled "Hundreds of Proofs of God’s Existence". This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Actually, no it isn't. the very MOST ridiculous thing I've ever read was a thread on landoverbaptist.net titled "Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter raped!". I know they are just acting over there, but they're taking it a bit far. Anyway, here's the link to the list: (link).

Here are some things in the list:

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN, a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS, a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES (I)
(1) My aunt had cancer.
(2) The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
(3) My aunt prayed to God and now she doesn't have cancer.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

MORAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM ASSUMPTION
(1) God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

That last one made me face-palm.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I look beyond such arguments. I believe in faith. If one believes in something, it is real for him. If one believes that one thing does not exist, it does not exist for him. It all comes down to faith. If you wish to see truth in these arguments, you will see truth. If you wish to see fallacies, you will see them. It all comes down to where your faith is directed to.

[MeasH]

I look beyond such arguments. I believe in faith. If one believes in something, it is real for him. If one believes that one thing does not exist, it does not exist for him. It all comes down to faith. If you wish to see truth in these arguments, you will see truth. If you wish to see fallacies, you will see them. It all comes down to where your faith is directed to.

I posted this because these people are basically saying "God exists because I say he does". That doesn't make much sense because anyone of any religion can just say that, but there can't be more than one true religion.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I look beyond such arguments. I believe in faith. If one believes in something, it is real for him. If one believes that one thing does not exist, it does not exist for him. It all comes down to faith. If you wish to see truth in these arguments, you will see truth. If you wish to see fallacies, you will see them. It all comes down to where your faith is directed to.

I posted this because these people are basically saying "God exists because I say he does". That doesn't make much sense because anyone of any religion can just say that, but there can't be more than one true religion.

Well, for him it does. Why really try and argue with such a person?

[Gooders1002]

Well there is no prove that he does/doesn't exist anyway. Why get hung up on the issue?

[MeasH]

Well there is no prove that he does/doesn't exist anyway. Why get hung up on the issue?

I think you misunderstood my point here. I wasn't trying to say that God doesn't exist. I was saying that this list has no educated or proof-based contents, so it's not proof.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Well there is no prove that he does/doesn't exist anyway. Why get hung up on the issue?

I think you misunderstood my point here. I wasn't trying to say that God doesn't exist. I was saying that this list has no educated or proof-based contents, so it's not proof.

Far too many people believe that 'logically valid' is a synonym for 'true'.

I blame Leonard Nimoy.

[Minimalist]

It all comes down to faith.

No. It comes down to reality. Your shit is as stupid as any other theist's, Mehmet. Never forget that.

[kılıç_mehmet]

It all comes down to faith.

No. It comes down to reality. Your shit is as stupid as any other theist's, Mehmet. Never forget that.

And maybe you can tell me what reality tells these people. That there is no God? I'm not really sure that reality concerns itself with otherworldly matters, while there are a lot of poorly explained worldly matters still waiting for it.

[genkaus]

I look beyond such arguments. I believe in faith. If one believes in something, it is real for him. If one believes that one thing does not exist, it does not exist for him. It all comes down to faith. If you wish to see truth in these arguments, you will see truth. If you wish to see fallacies, you will see them. It all comes down to where your faith is directed to.

Faith isn't something beyond reason - its beneath it. Existence and truth are not so fickle as to be determined by someone's beliefs. If it doesn't exist, then it doesn't exist - there is no "for him". Your mis-perception of fallacy for truth does not make it so.