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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Who thinks that (the infamous "they")? Which group should and which shouldn't? What bias? Towards or against what?
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm
(September 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm)genkaus Wrote: (September 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: No, I don't buy your explanation. It seems bizarre. I wouldn't say that everybody does equally well in totally secular environments. There has to be a period of adjustment, a period of accustomization. And I think typical secular environments don't have that. While they think there should be accustomization for some groups, evidently it's not for others.
This, I think reflects the bias inherent in typical secular environments.
And why "should" it be there? Some groups get accustomed easily because their values match up with the secular ones. Others don't because theirs' don't. If secular environments had that period of adjustment for some groups, then that would suggest bias in favor of those groups. You can't be biased for doing nothing.
By not favoring adjustments they are being biased.
I mean why have a situation where some people, for no fault of their own struggle to get to grips? They didn't choose for it to be so difficult. They were born into their own culture and religion.
I think this shows quite clearly how secularism is unfair.
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2012 at 3:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No, they didn't choose to be born into their religion or culture, but they do choose to remain in their religion or culture. That would be called "through fault of their own" nothing negative implied by this, of course. If a person wishes to be a religious conservative in a secular liberal society they are free to do so. Plenty of these people about Vinny.
You're actually attempting to make the case that secularism is unfair because it doesn't give special treatment? You have got to be fucking kidding me....
What kind of special attention should be given, btw, the kind of special attention we see so often from conservative religious societies? Oh, whats the word..ah yes, persecution.
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:18 pm
(September 6, 2012 at 3:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You're actually attempting to make the case that secularism is unfair because it doesn't give special treatment? You have got to be fucking kidding me....
That's what I thought from page 1 and why I asked if he was trolling.
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:21 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Trolls gotta troll. You have to understand that he has made it plainly clear that he thinks at least one group of religious people downright deserve special attention. Muslims, yes, "especially" muslims. 
(strangely, this is a sentiment shared by right wingers and airport security the world over-and that's gone really well for us thusfar)
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Well I deserve to have a hot guy go down on me every day, but I don't ask for it at work.
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:24 pm
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In that particular case correlation may prove causation. lol.
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RE: The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings
September 6, 2012 at 3:58 pm
(September 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: By not favoring adjustments they are being biased.
No they are not. By not paying extra attention to the dumb student, the teacher is not showing bias towards the smart students either.
(September 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I mean why have a situation where some people, for no fault of their own struggle to get to grips? They didn't choose for it to be so difficult. They were born into their own culture and religion.
And the dumb student didn't choose to be dumb. One person's special circumstances do not entitle him to special treatment nor does it warrant any special privileges.
(September 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I think this shows quite clearly how secularism is unfair.
All it shows is that the world is unfair and secularism has found the most fair way to treat everyone.
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