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RE: Creationism
July 20, 2009 at 7:17 am
(July 17, 2009 at 2:01 pm)Anto Kennedy Wrote: I just found out they use their own species classification model, barrymans or something. Bizarre. Since I'm not American I wouldn't know much about this ... So more info would be appreciated ...
Baraminology: History and methodology (Wikipedia).
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RE: Creationism
July 20, 2009 at 5:40 pm
(July 18, 2009 at 8:20 am)Dotard Wrote: oxymoron.
Damn!
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RE: Creationism
July 21, 2009 at 9:39 am
Ledo, Dotard, please refrain from commenting if you don't have anything to add to the conversation.
(July 17, 2009 at 5:41 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Everything is wrong with that! "Creation Science" (keyword "science") should not be taught in schools, period. "Creationism" in R.E sure, but we don't teach alchemy as a valid scientific concept, nor should we teach creation "science" as a valid scientific concept.
I was on a plane to Baltimore and got stuck next to two girls going to the same anime convention as me. Good thing? Noooo. There is a Nerd hierarchy, and let you tell me I am most assuredly above them. They were talking about stuff that made my ears bleed. But I remember also hearing one person say they had a friend who was a registered alchemist. I raged inside. RAGED. Fuck you Fullmetal Alchemist for making Alchemy popular again. Fuck you!
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Anyway, I remember sitting in a classroom watching this high school news program and they were talking about the evolution/creationism debate. I was already atheist or well on my way at the time and I remembered how absurd it was, thinking that creationism obviously belonged in religion and couldn't grasp why there was an argument in the first place. Luckily, since I was raised Catholic, evolution was taught when we had our science books out and creationism was taught when we had our religion books out. I remember asking my girl scout teacher why there was Adam and Eve if we evolved from monkeys (I know, I know, that's not what happened, but I was like 12) and she couldn't answer and told me to ask the pastor. I never did, but when I went on to high school I was taught that Adam and Eve was a story representing humanities nature, or whatever. It made sense to me at the time, but I still rejected it anyway for other reasons and then eventually realized it didn't make any sense especially when you jump down the rabbit hole of god sacrificing himself for a sin that was represented in a story. Blah blah blah.
Anyway, point! I finally learned why there was a debate in the first place the more I learned about religion and atheism. Not all people who believe in religion are crazy creationists. People can reconcile Adam and Eve and evolution. But the fundies, who can't, push for creationism because evolution destroys their literal beliefs and threatens their children's brainwashing.
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RE: Creationism
July 21, 2009 at 10:38 am
(July 21, 2009 at 9:39 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: Ledo, Dotard, please refrain from commenting if you don't have anything to add to the conversation.
Personally I think that is unreasonable ... I mean yes, there are people who generate the forum equivalent of static and you'll get some people blowing off complex multi-point posts with (more often that not) irrelevant one-liners but OTOH (sometimes, just sometimes) the right one liner is so totally on the mark it's priceless. The perceived value of any comment is purely personal and that kind of thing is, I think, what we endanger by coming down that hard!
Just my opinion is all.
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RE: Creationism
July 21, 2009 at 10:44 am
I'm coming down hard? All I did was politely ask to refrain from posting fluffs. I don't mind the little spat too much, but I've seen this things continue with one word responses and derail the convo, which was all I was asking. If I was coming down hard I'd warn and remove the posts. Please, if you have an issue moderation wise I would appreciate it if it was done privately so we don't give mixed messages to the members.
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RE: Creationism
July 21, 2009 at 11:48 am
(July 21, 2009 at 10:44 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: I'm coming down hard? All I did was politely ask to refrain from posting fluffs.
Fair enough 
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RE: Creationism
July 21, 2009 at 6:28 pm
(July 21, 2009 at 10:44 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: I'm coming down hard? All I did was politely ask to refrain from posting fluffs. I don't mind the little spat too much, but I've seen this things continue with one word responses and derail the convo, which was all I was asking. If I was coming down hard I'd warn and remove the posts. Please, if you have an issue moderation wise I would appreciate it if it was done privately so we don't give mixed messages to the members.
At least my fluffs are short. Not like some stupid girlscout or alchemist story which adds nothing to the thread.
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RE: Creationism
July 31, 2009 at 11:02 am
Adam Savage from mythbusters wanted to something on the show about creationism, so he could bust it. However he wasn't allowed to do so by discovery, since it had to do with religion.
It's unfortunate, I would enjoy that episode.
anyway is there a diffrence between I.D. and creationism? I will read about it on wikipedia, but what I've heared have both the same kind of ideas.
- Science is not trying to create an answer like religion, it tries to find an answer.
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RE: Creationism
August 1, 2009 at 8:18 am
ID is creationism but instead of calling the creator by it's name they call it "an intelligent agent" or "intelligent force". They claim agnosticism to what this agent or force might be as to not having to defend this god/force/agent/whatever.
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RE: Creationism
August 2, 2009 at 11:19 pm
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(July 31, 2009 at 11:02 am)Giff Wrote: Is there a diffrence between I.D. and Creationism?
There are a number of important differences between them. Creationism argues religiously in favour of the Judeo-Christian deity, whereas Intelligent Design argues scientifically for no deity whatsoever. Creationism argues for the truth of the religious narrative in Genesis (under a literal interpretation in some cases, or an allegorical interpretation in others), whereas Intelligent Design has nothing to say about any religious texts; Intelligent Design drops us off at the necessity for an intelligent designer but has nothing to say about who or what that designer is, leaving it to metaphysicians and theologians to argue over. Creationism attempts to make scientific discoveries fit and support its religious convictions, whereas Intelligent Design has no religious convictions at all; while Creationism is friendly to only certain religious convictions, Intelligent Design is home to people of various religious convictions or no religious convictions whatsoever (e.g., deists). Proponents of Creationism want to have it taught in the public education system, whereas proponents of Intelligent Design are against such a curriculum; proponents of Intelligent Design want scientific criticisms of modern Darwinian evolution taught in schools but uphold banning Creationism being taught.
And the list goes on...
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