Suffering

[Cato]

Are you speaking of all the non believing drug addicts that selfishly continue to use drugs will carrying a child, or maybe it's all those party girls who drink themselves into oblivion every weekend while carrying a child, or could it be all those women that know they have STD's and yet have children without first getting rid of their STD first. Yes, blame God for these, you are not willing to blame people or help correct these problems.

GC, you are living proof that 'stupid' isn't immediately punished with severe pain.

[genkaus]

Are you speaking of all the non believing drug addicts that selfishly continue to use drugs will carrying a child, or maybe it's all those party girls who drink themselves into oblivion every weekend while carrying a child, or could it be all those women that know they have STD's and yet have children without first getting rid of their STD first. Yes, blame God for these, you are not willing to blame people or help correct these problems.

GC, you are living proof that 'stupid' isn't immediately punished with severe pain.

And living argument that it should be.

[downbeatplumb]

How do you know that you're not actually worshipping Lucifer/Satan? If it looks like the devil, acts like the devil, then...

And satan is the ultimate deceiver (supposedly) so what would be the ultimate deceit, that satan IS god.

(Disclaimer I do not believe in god or satan)

[Cyberman]

Google "neural tube defects". Even Wikipedia will do. Now tell me again how "people introduced it through sin" and while you're at it, please tell me what lesson this god is teaching us here that could be worth the suffering of more than three hundred thousand innocent newborns and their families each year. Perhaps it was how to reduce the number of NTD cases through the use of Folic Acid? Something else that people introduced into the world to combat the suffering that your god allegedly allows.

Are you speaking of all the non believing drug addicts that selfishly continue to use drugs will carrying a child, or maybe it's all those party girls who drink themselves into oblivion every weekend while carrying a child, or could it be all those women that know they have STD's and yet have children without first getting rid of their STD first. Yes, blame God for these, you are not willing to blame people or help correct these problems.

What the hell are you babbling about now, you sad, strange little man? In answer to the question in your first sentence, on which the whole of your pretty strawman is built, no I'm not. I was talking about NTDs - Neural Tube Defects. Do you know the difference between disorders of the brain (that thing which most people have in their head) and sexually-transmitted diseases (which affect the naughty bits below the waist, which seem to exert some strange obsessive fascination in most religious freaks)? Here's a clue: the two things are not even similar. In fact let's make it even simpler just for you: can you recognise the difference between the letters S and N? Are you truly this dense in real life or is this just an act for my benefit?

I've been saving the following quote, which I collected on my travels around the web, for just the right occasion. I think this is the time:

This is beyond stupid. This is a level of sub-stupid that can only be attained by devoting a decade to learning everything there is to know about a subject, then physically hacking the knowledge out of your brain with a rusty chisel dipped in LSD, and replacing it with a phial of 100% proof liquid stupidity. You then take the removed parts of your brain that held the knowledge, place them by a large boulder, and spend thirty years gnawing the boulder into the shape of the word "stupidity". Finally you flip the boulder of stupidity onto the scraps of brain using a JCB with the registration "Stup1d" and propelled by fossil fuels culled from mentally handicapped dinosaurs.

Then you manage to reverse the vehicle over yourself as a final testament to your stupidity.

In all seriousness, you are the worst advert for your religion I have ever had the displeasure of encountering.

Oh, and please stop telling me what I am willing to do to help my fellow humans. Thank you.

[The Grand Nudger]

"If objective morality exists, then God exists".

LOL, Non sequitur. Try again.

[Mister Agenda]

The argument is however "If objective morality exists, then God exists".

That's not an argument, it's two bare assertions strung together arbitrarily.

[Reforged]

How can God exist if there is so much evil in the world?

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What do you guys thinks?

What do I think? I think Darwinian is getting rep.

[Godscreated]

@ Stimbo, I was not addressing the NTDs, I was addressing the way God could use bad things to teach people to behave themselves, you wanted me to address how God could use sin to teach lessons. I have given you the answer, you're to self absorbed to see what I had expressed.
I know nothing of NTDs and how God could use that to teach man, what I did explain to you is how God will take care of these children. As far as making statements about what you can do, well it's like this, you complain about God, which you do not believe in, yet you never say anything about the nonbelievers who cause problems for others such as the unborn children I mentioned in my reply. So it seems to me you do not care what others do to their fellow man, just remember these women who do these things to their unborn children are at fault, not God.

[Cyberman]

@ Stimbo, I was not addressing the NTDs, I was addressing the way God could use bad things to teach people to behave themselves, you wanted me to address how God could use sin to teach lessons. I have given you the answer, you're to self absorbed to see what I had expressed.

I'm not at all self-absorbed, just very, very confused as to why you were banging on about STDs which I had not mentioned and ignored NTDs, which I did. I thought it might be a matter of courtesy to address even obliquely the points I raised in a post to which you were replying and which you quoted in your own. To put it bluntly, you quoted my words then completely disregarded them and went off on your own tangent, answering questions I had not asked.

I didn't say anything about sin; the theme was "suffering", which Neural Tube Defects cause in abundance (I was going to say "with bells on", but I didn't want to confuse you). As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as "sin". Sin to me is essentially human nature criminalised. It is as much a part of your religion as crucifixes, candles and cassocks, and I am not a subscriber.

I know nothing of NTDs and how God could use that to teach man, what I did explain to you is how God will take care of these children.

I gathered you might not have heard of them, that's why I suggested you Google them. I think it's a bit rich to say that 'God' will take care of such children instead of, oh I don't know, not making them be born that way. Would that work, do you think?

As far as making statements about what you can do, well it's like this, you complain about God, which you do not believe in, yet you never say anything about the nonbelievers who cause problems for others such as the unborn children I mentioned in my reply.

I have never complained about 'God' since, as you almost correctly pointed out, I have no belief in the creature. I may occasionally talk about the atrocities of the creature, or the ridiculousness of it, but to spin that into my hypocritically complaining about an entity that I hold to be non-existent is ludicrously dishonest. For future reference, all such musings about this fictional 'God' and what it 'does' come with the unwritten caveat "if it were to exist". Just mentally add that to my words and everything ought to become clear.

So it seems to me you do not care what others do to their fellow man, just remember these women who do these things to their unborn children are at fault, not God.

Now I know for a fact that you didn't Google NTDs. They are not caused by "these women" or any human at all. They are naturally-occurring disorders, in other words "God's Will". Before the discovery that Folic Acid can reduce the risk or even prevent them full stop, such children would - and still do, 300,0000 per year - have died unimaginable deaths and their families left devastated. Some care your god ("if it were to exist") is giving them, eh?

[jonb]

just remember these women who do these things to their unborn children are at fault, not God.

If you are right and your god created everything, what sort of mind thought this would be a good way of constructing things-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMG-LWyNcAs

After creating this nice little bit of suffering, it has lost all right to bandy accusations of fault about.