I Would Like To Talk to Atheists Who Aren't Assholes. Do Any of You Exist?

[Creed of Heresy]

LOL

The word you're looking for is not "assholes", it's "strident".

We're not going to blow anything if you don't like what we have to say. I don't tippytoe around the fragile emotions of people who can't handle honesty. I promise, personally, that I will always tell you, or anyone, exactly what I think. If you have a problem with that, it's your problem, not mine.

I'll carry on a discussion with you, but if I think something you've said is dumb, I'm going to say, "That was fucking dumb, and here's why..."

You can either love it, or shove it. If you get the impression that there is no point in talking to people who do not believe in deities, you shouldn't do it anymore.

Well, I'm Catholic and I've been around Catholics all my life and I have some observations.

Most Catholics are nice people.

You go to a Catholic forum and everyone acts really nice.

You go to a Catholic school, and there may be a few jerks, but most people are nice.

I have not observed this about Protestants or atheists.

In my experience, Protestants are not nice at all. Some of them are downright nasty.

And atheists tend to be very rude, and not nearly as smart as they think they are.

So one thing that makes me think that Catholicism is worthwhile is that believing in it makes people act nicer to other people.

And that's worth something.

So why would I want to be an atheist and hang out with rude, unhappy people?

It doesn't make sense to me.

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Based on reading your other threads, it looks like you've had a problem with how one or two people have responded to you and that somehow translates to all of us being assholes?

I can't imagine why you might have run into problems on other forums.

Well, prove me wrong. Put in the effort to act like a civilized person.

It sounds like you've been around a bunch of cock-monglers and ass-patters your entire life. By the way, how's that whole child-raping priests thing going for you guys? That's a VERY nice facet of catholicism. How about those inquisitions way back in the day or the crusades, eh? Yeah, catholicism breeds nothing but nice people.

You come on to an atheist forum, and your opening statements are "YOU'RE ALL ASSHOLES. I BASE THIS OPINION OFF OF TWO RESPONSES I HAVE RECEIVED BEFORE. BE NICE TO ME OR I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE EVEN THOUGH I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN CONVERTING TO YOUR CAUSE EITHER WAY!"

Fuck off, we don't want you here anyway if you're going take that shitty holier-than-thou attitude. You know what I think about catholics? I think they all love patting each other on the ass and being really nice and sweet to everyone who thinks JUST LIKE THEM but the moment they are confronted with anyone not like them they view them with shit-tinted glasses, and then they wonder why everyone treats them like the end result of the metabolic processes. I think all catholics are a bunch of child-raping witch-burning gay-bashing bigoted ignorant pieces of shit.

See how it feels? Do you like being judged by me before I even know you, insulted before given a chance? Well the problem is you actually WERE given a chance except you blew it with your opening statement. You opened your mouth and all you had to say was a bunch of assumptive shit. Fuck you. I'm not going to be nice to you cuz you couldn't even be nice to me on your introduction, you aren't worth my time, now go back to making Little Timmy shine your doorknob, papist.

[Mister Agenda]

Well, I'm a distressed Catholic looking for answers to some very important questions, but so far the atheists who have responded to me have been rude and obnoxious.

I've noticed most of the Catholics who come here are rude and obnoxious broad-brush painters.

And you are confirming my opinion, which I formed in another forum, that most atheists are assholes and really, they don't know how to debate or carry on a civilized conversation.

And what kind of person forms an insulting opinion about an entire class of humanity based on one forum, then announces their newly-formed bigotry on a new forum? Starts with an 'a'.

So really, if you guys don't get wise you are going to drive me off and I will leave with the impression that there's no point in talking to atheists.

Why should we care if you leave? We don't collect membership fees. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

And well, if the point of this forum is to gain converts to your cause, you guys are seriously blowing it if you don't act like normal people instead of jerks.

That is not at all the point of this forum. It's no skin off our noses what you believe. If it was up to me, everyone would have to pass a competency test before they get to call themselves atheists.

The impression I'm getting from your post is that you're being treated exactly as you deserve and can't stop whingeing about it.

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The reason I assume all atheists are jerks is because that is my experience from the forum I usually post to.

The reason I assume all Catholics are jerks is because of you, personally.

If that is not true, you have the opportunity to prove it.

There aren't enough fucks not to give.

But really, your crack about all Catholics being child molesters kind of proves I'm right about you. That was a cheap shot and really uncalled for.

But really, your crack about atheists proves I'm right about Catholics.

Jackass goes to new forum, calls the members assholes, and challenges them to prove they're kind and wonderful by treating him like he'd been polite instead of as he richly deserves, pretends getting what he's asking for proves atheists are rude. Must be Friday.

[Anomalocaris]

So really, if you guys don't get wise you are going to drive me off and I will leave with the impression that there's no point in talking to atheists.

Hmmm, is there really a point for atheists to talk to this particular Roman Catholic? You tell me.

And well, if the point of this forum is to gain converts to your cause, you guys are seriously blowing it if you don't act like normal people instead of jerks.

And well, the point of this forum is not to gain converts.

Just as calculus, physics, or chemistry are something that is true and not a cult with an axe to grind - quite unlike the various mutations of the Jesus cult - so atheism is not a cult, doesn't care for converts, and does not have a cause.

If you are contemptious of wishthinking and wish to get a view of where things really stand, uncertainties and all, you may wish to study calculus, physics, chemistry, and you may wish to dispense with wishthinking theism and become by default and atheist.

If you are not, then we certainly would not be even a little bit poorer in anyway without you. And we should part company.

[Mister Agenda]

I have to say that the vast majority of atheists I've seen posting on the internet have no clue how to sway people to their way of thinking. All they do is mock and ridicule Christianity and really that's about all they know how to do. I don't think even Hitchens or Dawkins can do better. I have yet to see one atheist argument that came close to persuading me. I don't think atheists are even trying to persuade.

Bingo! We don't have a Great Commission. You can believe in leprechauns for all we care. We didn't seek you out. You came here. If you actually want to discuss something, go ahead.

[Simon Moon]

Well, I'm a distressed Catholic looking for answers to some very important questions, but so far the atheists who have responded to me have been rude and obnoxious.

I've noticed most of the Catholics who come here are rude and obnoxious broad-brush painters.

And you are confirming my opinion, which I formed in another forum, that most atheists are assholes and really, they don't know how to debate or carry on a civilized conversation.

And what kind of person forms an insulting opinion about an entire class of humanity based on one forum, then announces their newly-formed bigotry on a new forum? Starts with an 'a'.

So really, if you guys don't get wise you are going to drive me off and I will leave with the impression that there's no point in talking to atheists.

Why should we care if you leave? We don't collect membership fees. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

And well, if the point of this forum is to gain converts to your cause, you guys are seriously blowing it if you don't act like normal people instead of jerks.

That is not at all the point of this forum. It's no skin off our noses what you believe. If it was up to me, everyone would have to pass a competency test before they get to call themselves atheists.

The impression I'm getting from your post is that you're being treated exactly as you deserve and can't stop whingeing about it.

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The reason I assume all atheists are jerks is because that is my experience from the forum I usually post to.

The reason I assume all Catholics are jerks is because of you, personally.

If that is not true, you have the opportunity to prove it.

There aren't enough fucks not to give.

But really, your crack about all Catholics being child molesters kind of proves I'm right about you. That was a cheap shot and really uncalled for.

But really, your crack about atheists proves I'm right about Catholics.

Jackass goes to new forum, calls the members assholes, and challenges them to prove they're kind and wonderful by treating him like he'd been polite instead of as he richly deserves, pretends getting what he's asking for proves atheists are rude. Must be Friday.

[Cato]

The offense taking persecution complex is strong with this one.

[genkaus]

Well, I'm a distressed Catholic looking for answers to some very important questions, but so far the atheists who have responded to me have been rude and obnoxious.

And you are confirming my opinion, which I formed in another forum, that most atheists are assholes and really, they don't know how to debate or carry on a civilized conversation.

So really, if you guys don't get wise you are going to drive me off and I will leave with the impression that there's no point in talking to atheists.

And well, if the point of this forum is to gain converts to your cause, you guys are seriously blowing it if you don't act like normal people instead of jerks.

Don't misunderstand our intentions. The purpose of this forum is not to gain converts. Even if that was/is the purpose of founders and moderators, I doubt that the rest would agree. Most of us are here simply to enjoy ourselves.

If you are genuinely distressed and looking for answers, you'll find some members quite helpful. They'll answer your queries and give you some good advice. But if you are using it a as a front and sow yourself to be committed to your beliefs inspite of all the reasons and arguments provided to the contrary, you'll be treated just as a lot of theists are: rudely, obnoxiously and contemptuously.

[Anomalocaris]

Indeed, what repression they face. They could hardly burn anyone at the stake anymore.

[Whateverist]

Based on reading your other threads, it looks like you've had a problem with how one or two people have responded to you and that somehow translates to all of us being assholes?

I can't imagine why you might have run into problems on other forums.

Well, prove me wrong. Put in the effort to act like a civilized person.

I sense that you need to have control in social situations. This forum doesn't require you to behave in a certain way in order to post here. Seems odd for the new kid to make requests that we alter our behavior on your account. I'm actually a proponent of proper netiquette but you have to understand where you are, what the customs are, and then decide if that is where you want to be. Personally I've been given no reason so far to care if you stay or leave. I just hope you can tone down your expectations and accept a level playing field where none of us seek to control the others. Then maybe I'll find out if I should care if you stay or not.

[genkaus]

Well, I'm Catholic and I've been around Catholics all my life and I have some observations.

Most Catholics are nice people.

You go to a Catholic forum and everyone acts really nice.

You go to a Catholic school, and there may be a few jerks, but most people are nice.

I have not observed this about Protestants or atheists.

In my experience, Protestants are not nice at all. Some of them are downright nasty.

And atheists tend to be very rude, and not nearly as smart as they think they are.

So one thing that makes me think that Catholicism is worthwhile is that believing in it makes people act nicer to other people.

And that's worth something.

So why would I want to be an atheist and hang out with rude, unhappy people?

It doesn't make sense to me.

Is that why you're a Catholic? Because Catholics are "nice"? Buddhists are one of the nicest people around. Why not convert to Buddhism? Jains, in fact, are so nice that they wouldn't hurt a fly - literally. That seems like a pretty good option.

As for me, I didn't care whether atheism is "nice" or not, I cared if it was rational.