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Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
(September 25, 2012 at 10:06 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Also, we can assume that based on a lack of evidence something is untrue. Or would you prefer guilty until proven innocent?

No proof of god; Therefore it's existence is "untrue". Clap
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
And he goes and makes another useless topic.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
(September 25, 2012 at 10:06 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 10:02 pm)Blackrook Wrote: You can't assume based on lack of evidence that something is true, that it is untrue.

For example, it has never been proven that 1 = 1.

Mathematicians start with that as an assumption because without it, all other mathematics is impossible.

But it has never been proven that 1 = 1.

Mathematics are arbitrarily defined, and then related to the real world via arbitrarily defined measurements. 1=1 is proof of itself. Let's say proof is 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. Also, we can assume that based on a lack of evidence something is untrue. Or would you prefer guilty until proven innocent?
No, I have it on good authority from my father the mathematician that 1 = 1 is unproven and unprovable. This statement does not "prove itself."

(September 25, 2012 at 10:23 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: @OP

Einstein wasn't a theist, so by your 'logic' the most rational stance is of the atheist, not your dad's Roman Catholic belief.

Einstein said that God does not roll dice.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
And your father told you this? Funny how you bitched that everything was a fallacy from authority earlier.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
(September 25, 2012 at 11:16 pm)Blackrook Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 10:06 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Mathematics are arbitrarily defined, and then related to the real world via arbitrarily defined measurements. 1=1 is proof of itself. Let's say proof is 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. Also, we can assume that based on a lack of evidence something is untrue. Or would you prefer guilty until proven innocent?
No, I have it on good authority from my father the mathematician that 1 = 1 is unproven and unprovable. This statement does not "prove itself."

...do you know basic math? Math is a system of measurement defined by humans. Thus 1=1, because 1 is defined as 1. How can 1=/=1?Undecided
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
(September 25, 2012 at 11:19 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 11:16 pm)Blackrook Wrote: No, I have it on good authority from my father the mathematician that 1 = 1 is unproven and unprovable. This statement does not "prove itself."

...do you know basic math? Math is a system of measurement defined by humans. Thus 1=1, because 1 is defined as 1. How can 1=/=1?Undecided

Mathematics is defined by humans?

Wow, the ignorance of this statement is astounding.

I thought you atheists claimed to be logical thinkers and scientists.

But you think that mathematics is something subjectively defined by humans?

Wow.

I mean, wow.
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#37
RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
(September 25, 2012 at 11:21 pm)Blackrook Wrote: Mathematics is defined by humans?

Wow, the ignorance of this statement is astounding.

I thought you atheists claimed to be logical thinkers and scientists.

But you think that mathematics is something subjectively defined by humans?

Wow.

I mean, wow.
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#38
RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
(September 25, 2012 at 11:21 pm)Blackrook Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 11:19 pm)Darkstar Wrote: ...do you know basic math? Math is a system of measurement defined by humans. Thus 1=1, because 1 is defined as 1. How can 1=/=1?Undecided

Mathematics is defined by humans?

Wow, the ignorance of this statement is astounding.

I thought you atheists claimed to be logical thinkers and scientists.

But you think that mathematics is something subjectively defined by humans?

Wow.

I mean, wow.

What's the difference between ayard and a meter and how do we define that? How long is an inch? Why does + mean add? Why does 1 look like that rather than like this ~? We arbitrarily defined all of those things. Why do you think that someone could 'invent' calculus?
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
This is now a Jesus is a Jerk thread.
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