Deuteronomy 23 : 2

[Polaris]

This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.

Cop out.

Not at all. That was a very big issue for Israelite men marrying non-Israelite women.....they were not considered Jewish because the mothers were seen as the ones who influenced their children to whatever were their beliefs.

[Minimalist]

Trouble is that archaeology has found that these people were not "jewish" in any sense we understand the term to mean prior to the Persian Period.

[ElijahDrew]

Cop out.

Not at all. That was a very big issue for Israelite men marrying non-Israelite women.....they were not considered Jewish because the mothers were seen as the ones who influenced their children to whatever were their beliefs.

No, I meant the cop-out was that this rule doesn't apply today.

[Godscreated]

This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.

Cop out.

How so pray tell?

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Not at all. That was a very big issue for Israelite men marrying non-Israelite women.....they were not considered Jewish because the mothers were seen as the ones who influenced their children to whatever were their beliefs.

No, I meant the cop-out was that this rule doesn't apply today.

Today it does not matter IMO, because of Christ's sacrifice for man kind all people have a chance to be part of God's people.

[Justtristo]

Dueteronomy 23 : 2 says

"2 No one born out of wedlock or any descendant of such a person, even in the tenth generation, may be included among the Lord's people."

Most versions of the bible that I found on biblegateway.com use either "born out of wedlock" or "bastard". The New International Versions use "born of a forbidden marriage" .

Using a bit of binary maths (not math . . lets be civilised), everybody has 512 great great . . .(nine times) grandparents, 256 great great . . (eight times) grandparents etc. Adding all of these up makes a total of 1022 parents/grandparents who can all be counted as a persons ancestor going back 10 generations. That means that every one of those 1022 pairs of ancestors must have had to be married to escape the penalty of this verse. I doubt that even the Queen of England (may God save her) could manage that. Unfortunately this is only a speculation since most people can't get info about their distant relatives.

I know for a fact that my maternal grandparents were never married so, according to this verse, neither I nor my children and their children . . . for about the next 200 years should go to church.

Don't even get me started on Deuteronomy 23 : 1

Regards

Grimesy

The whole ten generations thing is a literary device no doubt to signify a long period of time. Essentially it is a deterrent from anybody wanting to engage in relationships deemed forbidden by the bible.

Although I am guessing under the Torah, what are considered by our society as "de-facto" couples. Would be considered married, unless the couple in question were incestuous or one of couple was not Jewish.

[Minimalist]

because of Christ's sacrifice

What "sacrifice" was that? The imaginary one where he "dies" for a few hours?

[pocaracas]

because of Christ's sacrifice

What "sacrifice" was that? The imaginary one where he "dies" for a few hours?

[sarcasm]
That cross was really, really heavy...
The crown of thorns was always stinging...
The lashes he got before didn't help a bit...
And the whole nailed to a piece of wood and left hanging there by those nails.... must have hurt quite a bit.
[/sarcasm]

Incomparable to... say.... losing a limb for the rest of your still long life, like many people who serve in the army do.

[pgrimes15]

This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.

What is the criteria for deciding what parts of the OT are only for jews so can be ignored, and which parts apply to everyone, so must be rigidly adhered to ? If there are some parts which do not apply to non-jews, why not just leave them out of the bible altogether, or at least have a preface listing the passages that do not need to be read ? Come to that, why have some other religions holy book in the bible at all ?

Regards

Grimesy

[Faith No More]

If it's a verse that reinforces a preexisting prejudice then it's definitely meant for everyone.

[Godscreated]

This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.

What is the criteria for deciding what parts of the OT are only for jews so can be ignored, and which parts apply to everyone, so must be rigidly adhered to ? If there are some parts which do not apply to non-jews, why not just leave them out of the bible altogether, or at least have a preface listing the passages that do not need to be read ? Come to that, why have some other religions holy book in the bible at all ?

Regards

Grimesy

This is where studying scriptures helps to determine such things, one thing one must do is carefully compare the OT to the NT to find out what applies to whom.
Deut. 23:2 has a companion verse in the NT, which I will look up for you if you like, but this is what it says, that two unlike people (man+ woman only) should not marry, this has nothing to do with race, nationality and ect. it's that a Christian and nonchristian should not marry, this is necessarily what is said in Deut. During the times of Deut. the Israelites were the only peoples to believe in the God of creation. Hope this makes sense, if not I'll try again.