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October 31, 2008 at 3:30 pm
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Leo-rcc
You have failed to understand where I am coming from. Take a read of my post again it'll clear things up which you failed to understand the first time.
My questions were not answered but some progress was made and I thank you guys for it.
(October 31, 2008 at 3:25 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: So what?
And no, we don believe in any god or gods.
you said i dont know what an atheist is and an atheist is a person who does not believe in a God, so i told you what an atheist is.
All I am using here is simple logic to answer and figure things out.
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October 31, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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Oh I think I understand you very well. You are one of those people that seem to think that everything must have a purpose, even when there is no real need for one. Butterflies can do very well without purpose, monkeys can do very well without purpose, pretty much every animal on the planet can go without purpose. Yet because you as a thinking conscious animal have a need for purpose because most things around you serve a purpose to you.
(October 31, 2008 at 3:30 pm)S_Truth Wrote: Leo-rcc
You have failed to understand where I am coming from. Take a read of my post again it'll clear things up which you failed to understand the first time.
My questions were not answered but some progress was made and I thank you guys for it.
(October 31, 2008 at 3:25 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: So what?
And no, we don believe in any god or gods.
you said i dont know what an atheist is and an atheist is a person who does not believe in a God, so i told you what an atheist is.
All I am using here is simple logic to answer and figure things out.
For starters you said we dont believe in god, which would imply we only disbelieve 1 particular god, which is not the case.
Furthermore, you claim there is something atheists are supposed to do with regard to find meanings in anything. Well guess what. People who don't collect stamps don't need to do anything, people who don't like sniffing glue don't need to do anything, and people who don't believe in deities don't need to do anything.
It is not a lifestyle, it is not a philosophy, it is simply not believing in the fairytales.
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October 31, 2008 at 4:17 pm
(October 31, 2008 at 3:35 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: Oh I think I understand you very well. You are one of those people that seem to think that everything must have a purpose, even when there is no real need for one. Butterflies can do very well without purpose, monkeys can do very well without purpose, pretty much every animal on the planet can go without purpose. Yet because you as a thinking conscious animal have a need for purpose because most things around you serve a purpose to you.
(October 31, 2008 at 3:30 pm)S_Truth Wrote: Leo-rcc
You have failed to understand where I am coming from. Take a read of my post again it'll clear things up which you failed to understand the first time.
My questions were not answered but some progress was made and I thank you guys for it.
(October 31, 2008 at 3:25 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: So what?
And no, we don believe in any god or gods.
you said i dont know what an atheist is and an atheist is a person who does not believe in a God, so i told you what an atheist is.
All I am using here is simple logic to answer and figure things out.
For starters you said we dont believe in god, which would imply we only disbelieve 1 particular god, which is not the case.
Furthermore, you claim there is something atheists are supposed to do with regard to find meanings in anything. Well guess what. People who don't collect stamps don't need to do anything, people who don't like sniffing glue don't need to do anything, and people who don't believe in deities don't need to do anything.
It is not a lifestyle, it is not a philosophy, it is simply not believing in the fairytales.
What makes you think animals don't have a ultimate purpose in life?
Alright you don't believe in any God and no God it still does not make a difference for what I have said above cannot be disapproved about an atheist.
If atheist are suppose to do nothing then there life as no meaning. So let me ask you again why do you live a moral life because at the beginning you said you live a moral life? What I have presented to you is that an atheist lives a meaningless way but throughtout your life you try to find meaning by going to school, working, getting married, it don't add up and is not logical. Now since you have said a person can do what they like that makes being born meaningless either way for an atheist. You can take the moral path or destructive way or any other way, either way you live your life without an ultimate meaning, which makes everything else you do meaningless.
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October 31, 2008 at 4:29 pm
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What makes you think animals do have a purpose or indeed need one? What possible purpose has a gazelle? To be eaten by lions? So what is the purpose of Lions? To eat Gazelle's?
And you still don't get it.
Atheists as a group have nothing in common excepts a non belief in deities. Whatever an atheist does or doesn't do or thinks is not the same for the whole group. Therefore every time you asked me what happens when I die or what to do, I distinctly said what would happen according to me. What I do with my life is up to me. There is no Atheist dogma I need to follow there.
If you think that is meaningless that is up to you, but I am perfectly happy with that.
And morality to me is what you agree with with the community you are part of. You agree to live under a certain society's rules and laws to better that society. This will give you less freedoms as an individual but in exhange a better understanding with your peers.
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October 31, 2008 at 4:45 pm
(October 31, 2008 at 11:50 am)S_Truth Wrote: I have a question for an atheist.
What is the end goal of an atheist who lives a good moral life?
This question has been bugging me for a long time, can someone answer this question.
Why should living any sort of life involve having a goal?We just live out our days, end of.
It's like the old chestnut that comes around and around " why are we here? For what purpose? " . Some people, mainly religious people, cannot accept the reply " why should there be a purpose? ".
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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October 31, 2008 at 4:52 pm
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(October 31, 2008 at 4:29 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: What makes you think animals do have a purpose or indeed need one? What possible purpose has a gazelle? To be eaten by lions? So what is the purpose of Lions? To eat Gazelle's?
And you still don't get it.
Atheists as a group have nothing in common excepts a non belief in deities. Whatever an atheist does or doesn't do or thinks is not the same for the whole group. Therefore every time you asked me what happens when I die or what to do, I distinctly said what would happen according to me. What I do with my life is up to me. There is no Atheist dogma I need to follow there.
If you think that is meaningless that is up to you, but I am perfectly happy with that.
And morality to me is what you agree with with the community you are part of. You agree to live under a certain society's rules and laws to better that society. This will give you less freedoms as an individual but in exhange a better understanding with your peers.
Its a fact an atheist life is meaningless if it has meaning then present that meaning. What I am explaining to you is it does not matter what an atheist does with his life for the end result is the same for all atheist. And that is what I have been saying from the beginning a meaningless life. Don't matter which atheist or morality to better society for atheist it is the same result a meaningless life.
(October 31, 2008 at 4:45 pm)bozo Wrote: (October 31, 2008 at 11:50 am)S_Truth Wrote: I have a question for an atheist.
What is the end goal of an atheist who lives a good moral life?
This question has been bugging me for a long time, can someone answer this question.
Why should living any sort of life involve having a goal?We just live out our days, end of.
It's like the old chestnut that comes around and around " why are we here? For what purpose? " . Some people, mainly religious people, cannot accept the reply " why should there be a purpose? ".
By going to work and school you add a purpose to life so why do you add this purpose to life?
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October 31, 2008 at 4:55 pm
And my point has been all the time, so what if it is? Why would it need a special meaning?
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October 31, 2008 at 4:56 pm
(October 31, 2008 at 4:55 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: And my point has been all the time, so what if it is? Why would it need a special meaning?
Why do you call it a special meaning?
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October 31, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Ok, I take it back, why would it need a meaning at all?
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October 31, 2008 at 4:59 pm
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(October 31, 2008 at 4:29 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: What makes you think animals do have a purpose or indeed need one? What possible purpose has a gazelle? To be eaten by lions? So what is the purpose of Lions? To eat Gazelle's?
And you still don't get it.
Atheists as a group have nothing in common excepts a non belief in deities. Whatever an atheist does or doesn't do or thinks is not the same for the whole group. Therefore every time you asked me what happens when I die or what to do, I distinctly said what would happen according to me. What I do with my life is up to me. There is no Atheist dogma I need to follow there.
If you think that is meaningless that is up to you, but I am perfectly happy with that.
And morality to me is what you agree with with the community you are part of. You agree to live under a certain society's rules and laws to better that society. This will give you less freedoms as an individual but in exhange a better understanding with your peers.
Why do I think animals have a purpose to life because just like us they live in the world trying to survive, eat, sleep and all the others. What is the point of all fo this for animals if they don't have a meaning in life, just like humans.
Once again tell me your meaning in life.
(October 31, 2008 at 4:59 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: Ok, I take it back, why would it need a meaning at all?
Then why do you add meaning to your life, if it does not need a meaning at all???????????
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