Neo-Nazis Fly Under Radar

[Darth]

So is the law not actually counter productive then? I'd be willing to be that those guys would be waving swastika's about if they could. As you say, they have adapted to the law. With the law: They wave those red-white-black flags, without it: they wave swastika's, those red-white-black ones, or both, depending on how cunning they are. Seems to me that you're shooting yourself in the foot there then.

I think you've proved my point.

[Something completely different]

you have a good point on that. the law also forbids gloryfying national socialism, denieing crimes of national sozialism and reforming organisations from national sozialism.
now if one was to reforme the braunshirts the Verfassungsschutz would get you anyway.
But waving arround swastikers? i guess it has more to do with a certain part of the german psyce wich closes it`s eyes infron of a problem it doesn`t want to see.
meaning only because we want fashism not to exist anymore doesn`t mean that it realy doesn`t exist anymore.
yes i agree on that.

[Tiberius]

Absolutely ridiculous law, but the first picture has a swastika, no?

They are legal in America, which is where I believe that photo was taken.

Fashist movements in germany have addapted to this, and are trying to create a more democratic image of themselves. By stating that "they dont look naziish" you fell for just that.

I didn't "fall" for anything. I was aware from the rest of your post that both photos were of Nazis / fascists. My point was, you said it wasn't hard to see the difference between the two photos. I argue that it is. The first has Nazi symbols and clothing. The second has old German flags (which I didn't even realize were associated with the Nazis) and people standing around in caps and coats. The differences are staggering.

[Something completely different]

I didn't "fall" for anything. I was aware from the rest of your post that both photos were of Nazis / fascists. My point was, you said it wasn't hard to see the difference between the two photos.

fuck, i misposted.

[UngodlyFossil]

The fact that you could go to jail for posting a swastika is ridiculous; I'm opposed to such violations of free expression.

It actually depends how you use the swastika and it doesn't really infringe on your freedom of expression that much.

First of all, the law under which displaying the swastika falls, is a law regarding the use of symbols of anti-constitutional organisations, which includes the symbols of the former Nazi-Party, SS, SA and the like.

I am not allowed to wear a swastika, wave a swastika flag or sell swastika patches or pins or whatever.

However, as many laws, this law also has it's exceptions or gray areas.
Is the swastika used in the context of civics or historical education, defense against anti-constitutional efforts, arts, sciences, research, studies or teaching, it's legal to use and display. I may even buy WW2 medals with a swastika on it, as long as they are original historic artifacts. My grandpa's medals are legal to possess and I can sell them to collectors (or buy them, if I am a collector), as long as I inform everyone who looks at my website about paragraph 86a of our criminal code (the underlying law regarding these symbols) and that it's unlawful to use the symbols in any context but the above exceptions. And I have to blur out the swastikas to be on the safe side, so nobody can use my photos in an unlawful context or accuse me of displaying anti-constitutional symbols.

But if the context is clearly educational or historical research, then it's not a crime to display this symbol. For example, if I do this:

The Nazi-Party, whose leader was Adolf Hitler from 1921 to 1945, used a tilted Swastika as their symbol, which later also became the national symbol of the german reich. After 1945, it was deemed an anti-constitutional symbol and it's use is forbidden in germany.
It looked like this:

Image Source: Wikipedia

I could also do this:

The popular german parody-comedy series "Switch" mocks "The Office" as well as the nazi bureaucracy, by portraying Adolf Hitler as an incompetent office clerk, blundering all the time and screwing everything up.



Nobody would accuse me of a crime in germany, because I use the swastika in a historical, educational and artistic context.

But if I go around and post swastikas without any context at all, or let alone to glorify the Nazis, this could very well be different.

[thesummerqueen]

There he is.

[UngodlyFossil]

There he is.

You forgot the rest of the sentence:

"...and he's posting swastikas. The charming, precious scoundrel."

[thesummerqueen]

hahahahaha

[cratehorus]

An enemy of free speech who'd take away rights from others and reserve them solely unto themselves does not deserve said rights.

Anymore than a murderer who'd take away an other life truly deserves life like some entitlement.

We as a society often try not to sink to said murderer's level by killing them, but we do know they ardently are not entitled to life after they took another.

No more than people who plan to overthrow the government deserve their own special government.

There's a difference between being entitled to something and society being kind enough to allow you to have it even when you don't deserve it.

EXACTLY ...nazis are unashamed oppurtunists they support laws as they fit their movement, whether or not they beleive in them. They support free speech, but crush free speech of others, they support, voting rights, becaue they support a persons right to vote for a nazi, if they get a nazi into office they will take that right to vote away from others

It also serves as propaganda, nazis don't like too admit their nazis, people don't even have too discuss the nazis in this article for example, they can show their support for them just by arguing for "free speech" or "the right to be nazis" and then get into an unending argument about free speech

[Autumnlicious]

No more than people who plan to overthrow the government deserve their own special government.

Wait...what is America then?

Yes Summer, because white guilt obviously worked with civil rights, so why not colonial guilt for revolutionaries?

I'm not fucking responsible for my goddamn ancestors and their fucking revolts.