Failed Biblical Prophecies

[Godscreated]

You have limited the scriptures through deceit, you have fallen short, you did not read what I asked did you.
The warning
Deut. 30:11-20
Failure to complete the conquest and God's punishment.
Judges 1:27-36
Judges 2:1-5
Judges 2:11-15

You do not really care what scriptures say, all you want to do is bring controversy to satisfy your ignorance of scripture.

[Something completely different]

Godshield, which bible do you actualy use?

[Darkstar]

You have limited the scriptures through deceit, you have fallen short, you did not read what I asked did you.
The warning
Deut. 30:11-20
Failure to complete the conquest and God's punishment.
Judges 1:27-36
Judges 2:1-5
Judges 2:11-15

You do not really care what scriptures say, all you want to do is bring controversy to satisfy your ignorance of scripture.

I'm pretty sure I already addressed this, but I'll reexamine it.

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Deuteronomy 30:11-20

The Offer of Life or Death

11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

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Key points:

• obey god
  
• woship god
  
• if you do these you will be blessed
  
• if you worship other gods you will be cursed
  

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Judges 1:27-36

27 But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo and their surrounding settlements, for the Canaanites were determined to live in that land. 28 When Israel became strong, they pressed the Canaanites into forced labor but never drove them out completely. 29 Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, but the Canaanites continued to live there among them. 30 Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Nahalol, so these Canaanites lived among them, but Zebulun did subject them to forced labor. 31 Nor did Asher drive out those living in Akko or Sidon or Ahlab or Akzib or Helbah or Aphek or Rehob. 32 The Asherites lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land because they did not drive them out. 33 Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh or Beth Anath; but the Naphtalites too lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land, and those living in Beth Shemesh and Beth Anath became forced laborers for them. 34 The Amorites confined the Danites to the hill country, not allowing them to come down into the plain. 35 And the Amorites were determined also to hold out in Mount Heres, Aijalon and Shaalbim, but when the power of the tribes of Joseph increased, they too were pressed into forced labor. 36 The boundary of the Amorites was from Scorpion Pass to Sela and beyond.

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The Israelites didn't drive out (physically) the people of certain lands, but managed to enslave them after becoming stronger.

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Judges 2:1-5
The Angel of the Lord at Bokim
2 The angel of the Lord went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land I swore to give to your ancestors. I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you, 2 and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you shall break down their altars.’ Yet you have disobeyed me. Why have you done this? 3 And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’”

4 When the angel of the Lord had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud, 5 and they called that place Bokim.[a] There they offered sacrifices to the Lord.

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An angel is disappointed that the people made a covenant with someone in the lands given to them, and says that he will not (physically) remove the people so that their false gods might erode the faith of the Israelites and doom them.

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Judges 2:11-15

11 Then the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord and served the Baals. 12 They forsook the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who had brought them out of Egypt. They followed and worshiped various gods of the peoples around them. They aroused the Lord’s anger 13 because they forsook him and served Baal and the Ashtoreths. 14 In his anger against Israel the Lord gave them into the hands of raiders who plundered them. He sold them into the hands of their enemies all around, whom they were no longer able to resist. 15 Whenever Israel went out to fight, the hand of the Lord was against them to defeat them, just as he had sworn to them. They were in great distress.

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The Israelites worshipped false gods, and suffered military defeat as a result.

There are few things that should be noted. First, the coveneant in question is most likely the treaty that the Gibeonites tricked the Israelites into agreeing to in the book of Joshua. It should also be noted that the woshiping of false gods occured after Judah's death.

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Judges 2:10-11
After that whole generation had been gathered to their ancestors, another generation grew up who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel. 11 Then the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord and served the Baals.

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However, this refers to military failure altogether, not simply the failure of driving out the native people. It should be noted that there is a big difference in this case. God promised to disposses the enemy of their lands, but not to drive them out (physically). Drive out has been taken to mean 'disposses' in this context, as the original Hebrew can attest. However, it sometimes refers to a physical driving out as well. How can we know which is which? Let's look at the second quote again:

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27 But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo and their surrounding settlements, for the Canaanites were determined to live in that land. 28 When Israel became strong, they pressed the Canaanites into forced labor but never drove them out completely. 29 Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, but the Canaanites continued to live there among them. 30 Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Nahalol, so these Canaanites lived among them, but Zebulun did subject them to forced labor. 31 Nor did Asher drive out those living in Akko or Sidon or Ahlab or Akzib or Helbah or Aphek or Rehob. 32 The Asherites lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land because they did not drive them out. 33 Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh or Beth Anath; but the Naphtalites too lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land, and those living in Beth Shemesh and Beth Anath became forced laborers for them. 34 The Amorites confined the Danites to the hill country, not allowing them to come down into the plain. 35 And the Amorites were determined also to hold out in Mount Heres, Aijalon and Shaalbim, but when the power of the tribes of Joseph increased, they too were pressed into forced labor. 36 The boundary of the Amorites was from Scorpion Pass to Sela and beyond.

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(bolding added)
Here, it is made very clear that the Israelites lived among the native people, often putting them into slavery. However, look at this passage:

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Judges1:19-21
The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. 20 As Moses had promised, Hebron was given to Caleb, who drove from it the three sons of Anak. 21 The Benjamites, however, did not drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the Benjamites.

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This is the strange thing: this one passage does not have the "but they enslaved them" disclaimer. Why? Because they didn't; they somehow failed to conquer the plains for no logical reason.

Now, I know that the passage

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Judges1:34-35 The Amorites confined the Danites to the hill country, not allowing them to come down into the plain. 35 And the Amorites were determined also to hold out in Mount Heres, Aijalon and Shaalbim, but when the power of the tribes of Joseph increased, they too were pressed into forced labor.

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will be used against me, but I would like to point out a few flaws. It says that the Israelites were prevented from coming into the plain [that Judah couldn't conquer] but it says that the Amorites were determined to hold out in Mount Heres, Aijalon and Shaalbim, which could be taken to mean that they still lived alongside the Israelites. Why couldn't Judah get into the plain? "Maybe he could", one might say, "after he enslaved the Amorites he might have been able to go into the plain". That might be true, but here is the weird thing: it says the Amorites were enslaved "when the power of the tribes of Joseph increased". Does this mean that their god given power was inadequete before? They could not first so much as disposses the plains until now, if we assume that is what happened, and it looks like god wasn't responsible.

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You have limited the scriptures through deceit, you have fallen short, you did not read what I asked did you.

So you are outright accusing me of being a liar?

The warning
Deut. 30:11-20
Failure to complete the conquest and God's punishment.
Judges 1:27-36
Judges 2:1-5
Judges 2:11-15

The thing is, I don't recall you ever asking me to read Deuteronomy.

You do not really care what scriptures say, all you want to do is bring controversy to satisfy your ignorance of scripture.

So I'm ignorant now? Which is it; am I a liar or do I make honest mistakes?
(Also, your accusations are unwarrented)

[Cato]

You have limited the scriptures through deceit, you have fallen short, you did not read what I asked did you.
The warning
Deut. 30:11-20
Failure to complete the conquest and God's punishment.
Judges 1:27-36
Judges 2:1-5
Judges 2:11-15

You do not really care what scriptures say, all you want to do is bring controversy to satisfy your ignorance of scripture.

Being a good 'study' of the bible you will immediately recognize that your Deuteronomy and Judges are OT, right?

This means that your interpretation of the NT, particularly Matthew 5:17, means that the commandments of your god in the OT still stand.

Good to know. Your boy, Drich, was just making the distinction between Jew God and Christian God.

Do you ascibe to the same distinction?

[Minimalist]

This should be good.

Personally, I always like Marcion's distinction.

[Cato]

This should be good.

Personally, I always like Marcion's distinction.

Yeah, but the really cool thing is that Drich and GC are now pouring through the Soprano's cast list wondering who the fuck Marcion is.

[Minimalist]

[ThomM]

[quote='Minimalist' pid='350828' dateline='1350580368']


Of course, archaeology has shown otherwise but I know facts don't even slow an asshole like you down, drippy.


I always liked this one.




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Modern Tyre - Look....it has a mosque and everything!

Looks like "god" ( the so-called Soveriengn LORD ) fucked up.

Look at your picture a little more closly minnie. To me it seems like God's word is being proved here. For in the Foreground we see the ruins of the 'city' in which Ezekial spoke. It remains desolate.

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Sorry - but obviously YOU have never been to TYRE - which is the FOURTH largest city in Lebanon and has over 115,000 people living in it
While the city does have a number of ancient ROMAN ruins - including a Hippodrome - it is a modern city in the Middle East - especially in Lebanon

IT is obvious that the the problem is - the christ of the bible did not fullfill the prophecies of the Messiah and could not be the messiah for basic reasons - one of which was that he was to be a human of the lineage of David - the christ has no human biological father. At the time - ONLY the father was included in lineage because they believed that the MALE provided the seed - the whole basis for the baby - and the woman was merely the "dirt" the seed was planted in to grow. EVEN then they knew that the baby had its own blood that did not mix with the mother.

And that is just one of the places where the story of the christ simply cannot be true. THe jews were not stupid. One of the prophecies was that the messiah was to REBUILD the temple of Jerusalem - but it had not yet been destroyed during the supposed life of the christ - so the christ would have been considered a HERETIC by the jews - and would NOT have been allowed to speak in temples - but especially NOT in the one in Jerusalem.

Remember - to the Jews - the Temple of Jerusalem was the VATICAN of the christian world - and they would not have allowed a heretic to go there - much less preach there. THe story of the money changers would have ended with the death due to stoning of the christ - if it had happened.

[Minimalist]

You have to understand how a mind like Drippy's "works," Thom. He thinks that because people are not living in the same buildings that his "god's" prophecy is true.

The fuckheads always do that. When a prophecy is an obvious failure they try to redefine it in terms which did not ever occur to their "god." That would make "god" something of a schmuck except "god" doesn't exist and the only schmuck is Drippy.

[Cinjin]

You have limited the scriptures through deceit, you have fallen short, you did not read what I asked did you.
The warning
Deut. 30:11-20
Failure to complete the conquest and God's punishment.
Judges 1:27-36
Judges 2:1-5
Judges 2:11-15

You do not really care what scriptures say, all you want to do is bring controversy to satisfy your ignorance of scripture.

I read them. Your god is a twisted fuck.







meh ... fairy tales are dumb, and quite frankly, The Brother's Grimm reads better and Aesop's Fables teaches far better morals and ethics ... that is, as long as I'm using fairy tales for both entertainment and life lessons.