Libertarians =/= Nazis

[CapnAwesome]

I find the idea that Libertarian's have the economic views of the right, and social views of the left to be very inaccurate. I know a lot of people, including the libertarian party, often claim this but it's a vast oversimplification. Libertarian economic views are different than those of the mainstream right in the United States, and the libertarian social views are far different than those in the mainstream left.

Take abortion, most libertarians and liberals agree that abortion should be legal, but libertarians would simply have no laws on abortion, while liberals would fund organizations like Planned Parenthood, and other such things. It's oversimplification. I don't know that many people actually think libertarians are nazis though. I always assume that's just trolling.

[Mister Agenda]

I don't say 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative' any more. I can't do it with a straight face. I'm flirting with 'socially tolerant, fiscally responsible'.

[Tiberius]

1. Would you ever hear Obama or Romney, say that they are against the things you listed as "libertarian"

Yes. I'm pretty sure both politicians have argued for an interventionalist foreign policy. Besides, you can "say" a lot of stuff, but it doesn't necessarily mean you mean it. I'm sure Obama says he supports civil liberties and privacy, but the Obama administration has been one of the worst administrations in this area. People should be judged by their actions, not always by what they say.

2. Why is there no Authoritarian party didn't you ever wonder that?

Both the mainstream parties are authoritarian: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

3. I'm gonna start a party called the party of Love....oh better yet the "Good Party" and all we'll do is good things and if you vote for anyone else.... then your voting for "the Bad party" and you don't beleive in Bad Things............. dooooooooooo yoooooou?

Good things are subjective. Libertarians consider the things highlighted as "good". You might not; doesn't make a bit of difference to me. They are quite clearly not Nazi ideas though.

I find the idea that Libertarian's have the economic views of the right, and social views of the left to be very inaccurate. I know a lot of people, including the libertarian party, often claim this but it's a vast oversimplification. Libertarian economic views are different than those of the mainstream right in the United States, and the libertarian social views are far different than those in the mainstream left.

Right wing =/= Mainstream US right wing.
Left wing =/= Mainstream US left wing.

The image is talking in general terms. To represent Democrats and Republicans on the diagram, you'd have to draw some very wiggly lines, but that wasn't the point. The point was to illustrate where Libertarian ideals are compared to traditional left and right wing ones.

Take abortion, most libertarians and liberals agree that abortion should be legal, but libertarians would simply have no laws on abortion, while liberals would fund organizations like Planned Parenthood, and other such things. It's oversimplification. I don't know that many people actually think libertarians are nazis though. I always assume that's just trolling.

Abortion wasn't on the list. It's a complex issue since it can be seen in two ways; as the right of a mother to do what she wants to her body, or as the infringement of the right of the baby to live.

[cratehorus]

you can "say" a lot of stuff, but it doesn't necessarily mean you mean it......People should be judged by their actions, not always by what they say.

Why doesn't this apply to ron paul in your mind? are you saying ron paul isn't a person?

Both the mainstream parties are authoritarian: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

I could just as easily say "both mainstream parties are libertarian"

Good things are subjective. Libertarians consider the things highlighted as "good". You might not; doesn't make a bit of difference to me. They are quite clearly not Nazi ideas though.

So what are the main criticisms of libertarians?

Jeffrey Friedman argues that natural law libertarianism's justification for the primacy of property is incoherent:

if...the liberty of a human being to own another should be trumped by equal human rights, the liberty to own large amounts of property [at the expense of others] should... also be trumped by equal human rights. This alone would seem definitively to lay to rest the philosophical case for libertarianism... The very idea of ownership contains the relativistic seeds of arbitrary authority: the arbitrary authority of the individual's 'right to do wrong.'

Some leftists and environmentalists who argue for reduced carbon emissions and pollution argue that many libertarians currently have no method of dealing with collective problems like environmental degradation and natural resource depletion because of their rejection of collective regulation and control. They see natural resources as too difficult to privatize, as well as legal responsibility for pollution and degrading biodiversity as too hard to trace


Some critics of the economic system favored by right-libertarians argue that market failures justify government intervention in the economy, that non-intervention can lead to monopolies and stifled innovation, or that unregulated markets are economically unstable. They argue that markets do not always produce the best or most efficient outcome, that redistribution of wealth can improve economic health, and that advances in economics since Adam Smith show that people's actions are not always rational.

Other economic criticisms concern the transition to a libertarian society. Some critics argue that privatizing Social Security would cause a fiscal crisis in the short-term and damage individuals' economic stability in the long-term while increasing poverty for the disabled and elderly, thus leaving their reliance for financial assistance in the hands of private citizens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_o...rtarianism

here's the definiton of libertarian, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Criticisms

there are left AND right wing libertarians, Ron Paul is neither he's a fucking nazi

RON PAUL: AMERICA’S MOST DANGEROUS NAZI (e-book)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/76540883/Ron-P...in-America

[Aroura]

While I don't really like many Libertarian views, even looking at the overview of this book on Ron Paul on amazon, I don't see how they are remotely Nazi's. For one thing, Nazi's wre for big government, Libertarians are most certainly not. There really are few if any parallels.

[Shell B]

Most political parties are compared to Nazis. In fact, I would say all them were, if I had a way of proving it that did not involve too much effort on my part. They are always called such by people who disagree with them. Calling someone or a political party a Nazi or like Nazis is no longer a way of saying, "You hold similar beliefs to Adolf Hitler." It is a way of saying, "I strongly disagree with you and would like to discredit you by drawing parallels with a mass murderer." It's used incorrectly far too often.

[thesummerqueen]

From my own deviantArt account, during the Rally for Sanity

[Annik]

What a little badass.

[LastPoet]

Politics, there is a reason why I don't like it. The only politics that work is dictatorship and endoctrination, being I the supreme ruler of them all