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RE: Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
October 27, 2012 at 9:28 am
(October 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm)festive1 Wrote: (October 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Tino Wrote: I agree that a claim by a terror group isn't reason alone to believe it, but no, sorry, you don't get to ignore reality here. This was a pre-planned attack - it was not preceded by an uprising and rioting. If "getting all the facts" was the issue then they wouldn't have come out blaming a YouTube video.
Umm... You admit the reality of the situation was this was a pre-planned attack. But pre-planned by whom? By terrorists... Who didn't want us to spoil their fun and kept it a secret. You can expect a lot from government, but omniscience is not possible.
Festive I'm not following you here. I've not offered or heard any criticism of the government for not knowing about an attack in advance. The criticism has been for 1) blaming it on a YouTube video when they knew otherwise, and 2) we have now learned that the fighting went on for more than six hours, and that during that time our people were calling for help which was denied (by whom is not clear - the CIA has said publicly that they did not deny the support). Our people (the two SEALS) who were killed were laser targeting the mortar sites that ultimately killed them (at the end of six hours +) but no support helicopters, armed-drones or aircraft were sent to fire laser-guided weapons. We had surveillance drones overhead so the White House, Pentagon, CIA and State Department could literally watch the whole thing, and did so for six+ hours and did nothing. Then they went on TV, blamed the YouTube video, and arrested the video maker, who remains in custody today.
Spare me the typical diatribes about FoxNews, but if you want to understand what happened at Benghazi watch their report on it today Saturday @ 1PM ET or Sunday @ 3PM & 10PM ET.
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RE: Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
October 27, 2012 at 9:47 am
Ah you mean the fact free zone that is fox news.
Quote:While the network has been criticized for its tendency to support the Republican Party and its interests, David Frum, former speechwriter for George W. Bush, has also said, "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox."
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RE: Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
October 27, 2012 at 10:55 am
(October 27, 2012 at 9:28 am)Tino Wrote: Spare me the typical diatribes about FoxNews, but if you want to understand what happened at Benghazi watch their report on it today Saturday @ 1PM ET or Sunday @ 3PM & 10PM ET.
What can we say? It's easy to knock a news source when they get caught telling outright lies on a regular basis. I'm not saying that they always lie, but when they tell you something, you kinda have to check elsewhere just to make sure they're using credible sources or verified information.
Anyway, as for the Libya attack, I can understand why we'd want more information before we take action. Our last president ran into a war without good information and look what it turned into: Iraq had no ties to 9/11 terrorists, they had no weapons of mass destruction and Bush became the least popular president ever because of that war.
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RE: Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
November 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm
The Washington Post has finally weighed in on this story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a...print.html
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Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
November 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm
(October 27, 2012 at 9:28 am)Tino Wrote: (October 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm)festive1 Wrote: Umm... You admit the reality of the situation was this was a pre-planned attack. But pre-planned by whom? By terrorists... Who didn't want us to spoil their fun and kept it a secret. You can expect a lot from government, but omniscience is not possible.
Festive I'm not following you here. I've not offered or heard any criticism of the government for not knowing about an attack in advance. The criticism has been for 1) blaming it on a YouTube video when they knew otherwise, and 2) we have now learned that the fighting went on for more than six hours, and that during that time our people were calling for help which was denied (by whom is not clear - the CIA has said publicly that they did not deny the support). Our people (the two SEALS) who were killed were laser targeting the mortar sites that ultimately killed them (at the end of six hours +) but no support helicopters, armed-drones or aircraft were sent to fire laser-guided weapons. We had surveillance drones overhead so the White House, Pentagon, CIA and State Department could literally watch the whole thing, and did so for six+ hours and did nothing. Then they went on TV, blamed the YouTube video, and arrested the video maker, who remains in custody today.
Spare me the typical diatribes about FoxNews, but if you want to understand what happened at Benghazi watch their report on it today Saturday @ 1PM ET or Sunday @ 3PM & 10PM ET.
What I was getting at was that your post criticizing the Obama's administration response seemed to imply that they should have been able to psychically know about the terrorists' pre-planned attack. That is what your post implied. That is what I was responding to.
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RE: Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
November 3, 2012 at 6:17 pm
(November 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm)festive1 Wrote: What I was getting at was that your post criticizing the Obama's administration response seemed to imply that they should have been able to psychically know about the terrorists' pre-planned attack. That is what your post implied. That is what I was responding to.
I don't see anything I wrote that implies this. Would you point it out to me please so I can understand what you're talking about?
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Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
November 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm
(October 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Tino Wrote: I agree that a claim by a terror group isn't reason alone to believe it, but no, sorry, you don't get to ignore reality here. This was a pre-planned attack - it was not preceded by an uprising and rioting. If "getting all the facts" was the issue then they wouldn't have come out blaming a YouTube video.
This sounds like you are blaming Obama's administration for not knowing about a pre-planned attack on our consulate. I don't think I was the only one who got that from reading this. You also imply that everyone in the administration must be on the same page before making any public statements. Which I agree is ideal, however, in the real world, some people don't compulsively check their inbox or thoroughly read their email.
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RE: Emails Blow Hole in Administration's Libya Story
November 3, 2012 at 7:49 pm
(November 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm)festive1 Wrote: (October 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Tino Wrote: I agree that a claim by a terror group isn't reason alone to believe it, but no, sorry, you don't get to ignore reality here. This was a pre-planned attack - it was not preceded by an uprising and rioting. If "getting all the facts" was the issue then they wouldn't have come out blaming a YouTube video.
This sounds like you are blaming Obama's administration for not knowing about a pre-planned attack on our consulate. I don't think I was the only one who got that from reading this. You also imply that everyone in the administration must be on the same page before making any public statements. Which I agree is ideal, however, in the real world, some people don't compulsively check their inbox or thoroughly read their email.
OK I don't see any blame in the statement for not anticipating the attack. The point was that they knew right away that it was a pre-planned attack, not a spontaneous demonstration that got violent. So it raises the question of where did the idea come from that it was an angry response to the YouTube video?
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