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Change Kudos to Likes?
#71
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
(November 1, 2012 at 12:15 pm)jonb Wrote: What about a anti button for the people who provide time and money to the forum as a little incentive, while we free loaders can remain happy with our slightly more basic service?

The way that is handled on a lot of sites is non-contributors get commercials between the posts. Speaking of which, I have a paypal account, to which address does one send a small donation?
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#72
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?



Upvotes and rep points are an integral determinant of the social fabric of a forum. I've never seen negativity as a socially constructive force. Criticism, yes; negative devoid of content, no.

Kudo and rep points are like the prime directive of a forum; best not fuck with them unless you're Kirk.


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#73
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
Oh well we will carry on with the communism then. No privileges for those that put more in, and no libertarianism, because we cannot trust those with privilege not to abuse their power.
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#74
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
(November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am)Fryslân Wrote: How about you take down the whole Kudo system? What is it good for anyway?

It can serve as many purposes as there are users, more or less. Ok that's something of an exaggeration, but personally, I find it a convenient shorthand to acknowledge a post that may be directed at me without having to post a quoted reply, which may come several pages after the original post, given the way this lot can avalanche sometimes. The usual purpose, for which it was designed, is again a shorthand for indicating that you like or agree with someone's words, with the option to expand in a reply of your own.

(November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am)Fryslân Wrote: By the way, there is no real anti-kudo button to dislike this post!

Yes there is, it's the thumb-up button. You simply don't click it. If you really want to express dislike, it's only fair to explain why in a post of your own.

Incidentally, the singular form of the word 'kudos' is - 'kudos'. The word means "fame or renown" and is of Greek derivation, 19th century.
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#75
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
(November 1, 2012 at 8:35 pm)apophenia Wrote:


Upvotes and rep points are an integral determinant of the social fabric of a forum. I've never seen negativity as a socially constructive force. Criticism, yes; negative devoid of content, no.

Kudo and rep points are like the prime directive of a forum; best not fuck with them unless you're Kirk.



Or Piccard... Tongue

I like the Kudos buttons. IF I like what has been said = kudos. IF I disagree = won't touch the bloody thing, IF I agree and can not add anything to the conversation/ discussion at hand = kudos.

How hard do you want to make it?
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#76
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
I've actually been spoiled by the kudos button. Over at JNE forums, I've had to ask for a similar device to be installed because I missed having the ability to thumb-up a post as a way of saying "nice one" or similar. What we got was something of a stopgap compromise, due to software limitations as I understand it. Anyway, maybe the system here can be improved or overhauled, maybe it even needs it and maybe in the future that will happen. For the here and now, though, I suggest that anyone who for whatever reason dislikes the facility doesn't use it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#77
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
Agreed.

Oh hang on.... I just kudosed you post... Sad
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#78
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
*Likes the Kudo button
Sum ergo sum
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#79
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
(November 2, 2012 at 9:46 am)Stimbo Wrote: I've actually been spoiled by the kudos button. Over at JNE forums, I've had to ask for a similar device to be installed because I missed having the ability to thumb-up a post as a way of saying "nice one" or similar. What we got was something of a stopgap compromise, due to software limitations as I understand it. Anyway, maybe the system here can be improved or overhauled, maybe it even needs it and maybe in the future that will happen. For the here and now, though, I suggest that anyone who for whatever reason dislikes the facility doesn't use it.

The thing is, a forum with a like button, or no like button, or a forum with a dislike button, they all affect the social dynamic different ways. My other forum has neither reputation or like button, so you express things in words and images instead of kudos. It seems to result in a more intensely personal experience, and also serves as additional energy adding to the diversification of content in a thread. Maybe too personal. It's part of the ethos in addition to being a side effect of structure that people are nicer and gentler to each other there. As a consequence, people who are aggressive, combative or competitive have a more difficult fit. This is just my opinion, but I think that results in a less capable and smaller stable of debaters, with consequences for serious threads. So my time on that forum is fun, frivolous, artsy and personal. My time here is more intellectually intense and verbally challenging. Over time my preference shifts, and I'm currently expending more time and energy here.

It's not that a dislike button, or no kudos, would ruin a forum, but I think it would change it. It wouldn't be so much better or worse as simply different. That fact alone may argue against big changes. People have become stable communities here because of the resulting dynamic. A change like adding a dislike button would change that, and some regulars wouldn't like the change or adapt to it, and quite a few would leave. But then, some less active regulars might become more so, and a new crowd come and stay. It's neither saving or destroying what we have; but it would change it.


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#80
RE: Change Kudos to Likes?
I wonder what it would be like if there was a "dislike" button but no "like" button? A different experience to just having a "like" button I think.
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