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How is Yahweh not immoral?
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 (November 24, 2012 at 2:28 am)catfish Wrote:(November 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Nothing has been condraticted. The old Law demanded Death to attone for sin. Christ died. With His death comes freedom from the Law as the only way to obtain righteousness. Book Chapter and Verse? (Just askin) 
 (November 23, 2012 at 4:46 pm)Ryantology Wrote: If I created an AI, I would, however, respect its decision to, say, not worship its creator, because unlike God, I am not a jealous and immature bitch. If I created an AI, I would want it to know about me, to count on my help and not attack me... Robocop's 4th Prime directive.  RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm
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(November 24, 2012 at 7:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(November 23, 2012 at 4:46 pm)Ryantology Wrote: If I created an AI, I would, however, respect its decision to, say, not worship its creator, because unlike God, I am not a jealous and immature bitch. Do you have any children? You created them. Children fail. Sometimes they go to prison. Sometimes the get addicted to drugs. Sometimes they threaten their own parents. Do you burn them with a blowtorch or threaten them that you will do so?? No? You wouldn't? Well, guess what -- you're a better father than "god the father." 
![[Image: Evolution.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i1118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk619%2Fjcincain%2FPublic%2FEvolution.png)  RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm
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I don't think atheists have any basis for judging moral or immoral.
If you have a concept of good and evil you have borrowed it from religion and ought to give it back. Follow reason not dogma.  RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 1:32 am
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(November 24, 2012 at 3:03 am)Ryantology Wrote:(November 24, 2012 at 2:28 am)catfish Wrote: If you read the Bible, then you know that each person shall die for their own sin... Just sayin...What sins were committed by the untold thousands of children murdered in God's ethnic cleansing episodes? How were the firstborn of Egypt, many of them certainly infants and toddlers, complicit in the crimes of the Pharaoh? I don't know. But where do you get the idea that "God's ethnic cleasing episodes" were actually God's and not the words of men? (November 24, 2012 at 3:19 am)Drich Wrote:(November 24, 2012 at 2:28 am)catfish Wrote: If you read the Bible, then you know that each person shall die for their own sin... Just sayin... Now I have to show how little you really know about the Bible??? Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. 2 Kings 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Now, explain to me how human "sacrifice" attones for MY sins...  RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 1:43 am
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(November 25, 2012 at 1:32 am)catfish Wrote: I don't know. But where do you get the idea that "God's ethnic cleasing episodes" were actually God's and not the words of men? 1 Kings 14:9 "You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Jeremiah 50:21 "Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". I know they are the words of evolved primates. Since I am not a believer, I do not have to accept that these are direct statements by God, nor do I have to accept that these are righteous acts, because I don't fear the punishment he hands out for faithlessness.
Ezekiel 22:28
And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 1:50 am
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One imagines that the falsehoods referred to in that passage were not included in the Bible. Otherwise, why believe any of it?
Of course, directly preceding that passage is this, 22:17: "Then the word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, the people of Israel have become dross to me; all of them are the copper, tin, iron and lead left inside a furnace. They are but the dross of silver. Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: ‘Because you have all become dross, I will gather you into Jerusalem. As silver, copper, iron, lead and tin are gathered into a furnace to be melted with a fiery blast, so will I gather you in my anger and my wrath and put you inside the city and melt you. I will gather you and I will blow on you with my fiery wrath, and you will be melted inside her. As silver is melted in a furnace, so you will be melted inside her, and you will know that I the Lord have poured out my wrath on you.’” So, either verse 28 is contradictory or irrelevant. Whatever lies the priests tell about God, they aren't lying about the genocide. God definitely loves killing large numbers of people for stupid reasons.
Proverbs 14:15
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. I, for one, do not believe everything I hear or read. The bible also talks about people turning to myths, and then we have mention of Hades (a Greek myth). So, what I'm getting at is this: Why do you think everything in the Bible should be believed if one professes to be Christian? (November 25, 2012 at 1:57 am)catfish Wrote: So, what I'm getting at is this: Why do you think everything in the Bible should be believed if one professes to be Christian? The Bible is a single source for almost all of its assertions. There are no independent works corroborating the Bible, and physical evidence almost always contradicts what it says about almost everything relevant. Tricky gamble when your eternal soul is the wager, isn't it? If you can't believe everything in the Bible, why believe any of it at all, including the existence of God, when that itself might be one of the priest's lies? |
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