Pro-porn, anti-porn or in between?

[Kousbroek]

I wasn't talking about memes just random things ..

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

Obviously some people went off the deep end in this thread. The_Germans and that other kid think Catholics have become conspiracy theorists who believe Catholics take over the scientific establishment and are using science to promote an anti-fapping agenda. Half a dozen other people showed their typical trailer-trash intelligence.

Overall par for the course.

For those who are interested in exclusively scientific work done on the issue, see the following.

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/When_No..._Women.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...9477801639
Bridges, A., Bergner, R., & Hesson-McInnis, M. (2003). Romantic partners’ use of pornography: Its significance for women. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 29(1), 1-14.
Corley, M., & Schneider, J. (2002). Disclosing secrets: Guidelines for therapists working with sex-addicts and co-addicts. Sexual Addiction & Compulsivity, 9(1), 43-67.
Manning, J.C. (2006). The impact of internet pornography on marriage and the family: A review of the research. Sexual Addiction & Compulsivity, 13,131-165.
Schneider, J. (2000a). Effects of cybersex addiction on the family: Results of a survey. Sexual Addiction & Compulsivity, 7, 31-57.

If you want still more, PM me. I will not entertain claims that the science is bad because it's done by catholics, or atheists, or muslims, or anybody. If the journal is reputed, and the peer review process is verifiable and the board is credentialed, STFU.

For those who still don't understand my position: I don't think porn itself is bad. The science shows, that sex is a a complex experience. Rewiring the experience can have a large number of effects, some positive, some negative. In the case of porn, one can make a good case that negative effects exist. And in many if not all cases, the neurological effect of short-circuiting the sexual response by using porn can have unintended consequences. It's a good topic of discussion. A very controversial one. Lonely porn-lovers are often very emotional in defending porn and trying to find faults, even incorrectly, in the claims being made. But overall, it's worth thinking about.

I posted this video before. I'll post it again as I sign off on the discussions I had earlier. It's a great video, even if you love porn and you want to understand what's happening in your brain.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

After reading this whole thread, the responses to a good portion of what Vinny posted seem really irrational. I haven't read what he posted yet but some of looks like peered reviewed stuff. They aren't activist blog posts done by fundies.

Some things I haven't seen clearly defined: what exactly is addiction in the context of porn? At what point can you say that someone's porn consumption has gone from "healthy" or "normal" levels to "disruptive levels."

Just how severe are these negative effects? Negative compared to what? Coffee can give you negative effects but in comparison to meth, it's practically pristine water.

[LastPoet]

After reading this whole thread, the responses to a good portion of what Vinny posted seem really irrational. I haven't read what he posted yet but some of looks like peered reviewed stuff. They aren't activist blog posts done by fundies.

Some things I haven't seen clearly defined: what exactly is addiction in the context of porn? At what point can you say that someone's porn consumption has gone from "healthy" or "normal" levels to "disruptive levels."

Just how severe are these negative effects? Negative compared to what? Coffee can give you negative effects but in comparison to meth, it's practically pristine water.

The negative effects of porn in our ethical and morality issues do not justify any kind of prohibition, or to be branded as a negative thing in itself. From the articles I've read from Vinny, they correlate porn with abused women, battered women, etc, but from the conclusion, even the authors do not correlate it as the single source of the harm those women endured.

Hence, it is hard to create a hard-line or a level system from those conclusions, but mabe if you are jacking off to porn enough after 18, to disrupt a relatioship, mabe you're doing it wrong.

[puts on old man hat]
Point is, there is such a thing as moderation, now, get out of my lawn!
[/old man hat]

[Justtristo]

I think the mark of a society which is totally comfortable with it's sexuality, is that nobody would object to the public display of erotica.

The Greeks and Romans two thousands years ago were able to achieve that, however we can't.

[thesummerqueen]

That's due to monotheism. Paganism was much more comfortable with sexuality and fertility. Once you get doomsday cults in monotheistic religions, you're fucked.

[Something completely different]

Of course we can.

Have you ever seen dutch TV? I once saw a show there, one of these DIY shows, like build your own kitchen and stuff. But it was about peoples sexlives, it stared a sextherapist who went out and helped couples improve their sexlives. The rsults were filmed and broadcasted.

You get fined 60 euros in the netherland if you piss in the public - when you can pay a prostetute 30 to piss on her and no one would have a problem with it.

Germany is increasingly becoming a sexualy open sociaty aswell, and I guess alot of nations will follow that trend.

[thesummerqueen]

Piss is rather caustic - if you piss in public, you might kill a plant. I get fining someone for it.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Of course we can.

Have you ever seen dutch TV? I once saw a show there, one of these DIY shows, like build your own kitchen and stuff. But it was about peoples sexlives, it stared a sextherapist who went out and helped couples improve their sexlives. The rsults were filmed and broadcasted.

You get fined 60 euros in the netherland if you piss in the public - when you can pay a prostetute 30 to piss on her and no one would have a problem with it.

Germany is increasingly becoming a sexualy open sociaty aswell, and I guess alot of nations will follow that trend.

Shit I misses out on that one! But seriously the prostution is legal here but not at all socially accepted.

[Something completely different]

Well Vincent finaly gave some scientific sources.

This study researches the effect pornography has within releations, to conclude that men are more likely to sexualy abuse their partners within a releationship when watchin porn combined with alcohol.

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/When_No..._Women.pdf

The study doesn`t show if ther are negative effects on the consumers health.

This study observes the penile response of men after watching porn for two weeks:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...9477801639

Therefor it is not conclusive enought to draw conclusions on what long time effects are given for the conumers health.

In total, you failed jet again to give conclusive studies proving your point!

And after you stated that:

I think your problem is you are a porn addict and you don't want to acknowledge its ill effects. No problem. It's actually better you spill your genes into a tissue rather than make someone pregnant and ruin the future for us.

I dont buy this shit of yours:

For those who still don't understand my position: I don't think porn itself is bad.

And this statement here:

Lonely porn-lovers are often very emotional in defending porn and trying to find faults, even incorrectly, in the claims being made.

Is nothing but a dishonest rethorical attempt to divert attention from the fact that you cant provide conclusive evidence by stating your oponents are:

Lonely porn-lovers

And thereby dishonestly attempting to disqualify them!

Let me tell you something. I usualy dont make arguments on privat expiriences, and tend to ignore arguments based on such.

But I suspect that you will continue, for lack of argument to brandmark every single opponent of yours as a:

Lonely porn-lover

Eaven if i was a porn addict, (and yes I believe it has addictive potential) it would not disqualify me from challengeing your possition!

And I think, due to your neurotic apperance and idiotic and babaric views, especialy on social darwinism.

That I probably have a far better sexlife than you ever had.