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What's with Yahweh's attitude change?
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(December 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: I would say 'we' maynot[sic] understand all the reason sin makes God angry... I would say 'we' (the other forum members) may seriously doubt your capability to understand the concept of reality ..
"Jesus is like an unpaid babysitter "
R. Gervais (December 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Compare the Old Testament to the New Testament and you notice a pretty drastic changethere. OT god is a vengeful God, smiting people for any little infraction. NT god just kinda sits back and says "You'll get yours in the afterlife."You're cherry picking. Read the Psalms and Revelation. (December 3, 2012 at 9:30 am)John V Wrote:(December 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Compare the Old Testament to the New Testament and you notice a pretty drastic changethere. OT god is a vengeful God, smiting people for any little infraction. NT god just kinda sits back and says "You'll get yours in the afterlife."You're cherry picking. Read the Psalms and Revelation. Marcionism was founded on the disconnect beween the two gods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism Quote:Marcion believed Jesus Christ was the savior sent by God, and Paul of Tarsus was his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament. This belief was in some ways similar to Gnostic Christian theology; notably, both are dualistic, that is, they posit opposing gods, forces, or principles: one higher, spiritual, and "good", and the other lower, material, and "evil" (compare Manichaeism), in contrast to the orthodox Christian view that "evil" has no independent existence, but is a privation or lack of "good",[2] a view shared by the eminent Jewish theologian Moses Maimonides. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
Marcion was cherry picking. His canon consisted of 11 books according to your link. He also should have considered Psalms and Revelation.
(December 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: I would say 'we' maynot understand all the reason sin makes God angry... Why would you care? To you, it only matters that God says it is a sin. "Do this because I said so" is the first resort of a lazy and stupid parent. If sin makes God angry, he has only himself to blame. Sin, and the sinning sinners who sin, are his inventions and he made things this way on purpose. Activities such as murder, or rape, or torture, or slavery, are almost universally criminalized these days, and the reason why is because it is very easy to demonstrate that these activities are harmful to people. There is a clear and obvious reason not to allow people to do these things. We all know that God is on record encouraging his followers to do all these things and more, and we all know that Christian mythology celebrates these horrors. What makes that all the more obscene is that Christian mythology tells us that it is wrong to work on Sabbath but 'righteous' to slaughter women and children. It is wrong to have sex with someone of your own gender but 'righteous' to own people as property. Sassing your mom is worth a death sentence, but raping a virgin is God's good work. To put it bluntly, 'sin' is an outmoded and illogical concept, a tarnished relic of an ignorant past and with no place in a civilized world.
Yahweh of the OT: "I smite you"
Yahweh of the NT: "You are not saved" Yahweh just learned to use the passive voice to diffuse responsibility.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist |
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