Putting God to the Test

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I took this from the conference the paper was presented to (translated from German):

An International Conference of World Christian doctor networks (WCDN: global Christian network of doctor) met on December 14.
and may 15, 2008 about 200 doctors and healthcare professionals from 28 countries in Trondheim, Norway. The Conference gave the participants the opportunity to exchange about miracle cures for patients with incurable diseases. All these doctors believe in the power of prayer and use it especially where medical cure is no longer possible. During the meeting, the doctors presented their case studies on experienced miracle cures. The studies and data were presented on a big screen, and then the medical audience questions were answered. The doctors reported a resurrection of the dead superseded retina, which again grew and healings of many other large and small diseases.

Dr. Armando Pineda from Florida spoke with great passion about the need that doctors for their patients to pray. For example, he reported by many Cubans, whom he had served and released by magic.
Pineda added: "doctors are the most credible person when it comes to confirm God's healing power. We need to understand that miracles are infectious all diseases.» On the WCND Web page (http://www.wcdn.org) were published more than 60 witnesses about people, who have been healed by God (in English).
Source: WCDN
Quoted from Joel news copyright: © Marc van der Woude

What can I say? A conference where the participants believe that god can cure diseases?

Contrary to what the author says, doctors are not the most credible people to determine whether god can heal, or whether miracles occur. People who do repeated tests and evaluations of claims are. From the sounds of it, these people were leaning slightly on the bias of 'miracles are true and happen every day' (and by slightly I mea they believe it ferverently and no doubt believe they see miracles every day).

Also, this makes me suspect of it even more (thanks for the info Pocaracas):

The link works... strangely, not at first.
And it has a before and after shot as well.... with the word "prayer" in between.
But it seems they neglect to mention the surgery that must have been performed in between as well (http://nervous-system.emedtv.com/spina-b...ifida.html):

There is no cure for spina bifida; the nerve tissue that is damaged or lost cannot be repaired or replaced. Treatment of spina bifida will depend on the type and severity of the disorder. Although children with the mild form usually do not need treatment, they may require surgery as they grow.

This was apparently a mild case of the problem...

So yeah, not really going to take that seriously.

Also, I want to speak to the doctors that reported people being resurrected from the dead. If that doesn't scream "strike them off the medical register" I don't know what does.

Needless to say, witnesses are not evidence when it comes to scientific evaluations. I can observe bacteria reproducing, but if I don't produce evidence of it occurring (plates for example), then who can I expect to believe what I'm saying?

[FutureAndAHope]

Also, I want to speak to the doctors that reported people being resurrected from the dead. If that doesn't scream "strike them off the medical register" I don't know what does.

What is so strange about a God who can raise the dead. In the circles I frequent this sort of thing happens often, not with me personally but with pastors I know of. If a person truely believes in God they believe he can raise the dead. Jesus said in the bible we would do the same works he did one of the things Jesus did was raise the dead. I hope one day you come to your senses, and look at the evidence rather than express your opinions on facts. What more can a Christian do than record miracles, you say they should be struck of the register because they say they have a recorded example of a dead raising. Why don't you start to believe facts rather than sprout of your atheist opinions on people. What sins do you commit that are so great you are prepared to ignore facts. Christians are people too with brains and an interlect we just know what God has done in our lives, and the lives of others. What evidence do you have to support your claims that these people are crazy, it is just your opinion, nothing more.

[FallentoReason]

ok, I'll bite.

Ask your god to give me the power to heal anyone just by me touching them and wanting to actually heal them. Also give me the ability to know what is wrong with the other person just by touching them.

When I can do this, I'll get back to you.

Ok, both of those gifts are things God can do, and has done for others. The part about "anyone", at anytime, I have never heard of. Usually God heals some and others remain sick. I have prayed for my self and remained sick, yet healed another instantly. But there is nothing impossible for God. I will pray that God will reveal himself to you in such a way that it leads you into a powerful healing ministry. I will pray he imparts both gifts you have ask for to you.

In the bolded:

and what makes you think that you have the ability to command god in such a way, to tell him what to do? To me it's evident that religion is where god is at the mercy of man. It is man who is the GOD of all gods, which is what your line of thought (and any other Christian on here) makes it out to be.

[FutureAndAHope]

and what makes you think that you have the ability to command god in such a way, to tell him what to do?

Fortunately for us God has granted man some very valuable tools. One such tool being prayer. He says, not I, that we should pray about everything, and that he will answer our prayers. God see our prayers as valuable, to the extent he see us as co-partners, as co-workers. He is open to any persons prayer.

[FallentoReason]

and what makes you think that you have the ability to command god in such a way, to tell him what to do?

Fortunately for us God has granted man some very valuable tools. One such tool being prayer. He says, not I, that we should pray about everything, and that he will answer our prayers. God see our prayers as valuable, to the extent he see us as co-partners, as co-workers. He is open to any persons prayer.

Then why haven't you ended the world's suffering yet?

[Zen Badger]

What is so strange about a God who can raise the dead. In the circles I frequent this sort of thing happens often, not with me personally but with pastors I know of. If a person truely believes in God they believe he can raise the dead.

Oh wow, you'd better have some solid evidence to back that claim up.

Raising people from the dead?

Now I know you're full of shit.

[Penhorse340]

I used to ask god for a new bike!

Then I realised it doesn't work that way, so I nicked one and asked him to forgive me instead.

I'm a Christian (after a fashion) but I don't believe that God is some sort of transcendental Santa Claus.

[FutureAndAHope]

FutureandHope, I've promised God in prayer that if the right person says the right words to me, that I'll do my best to convince myself of his existence (pray hard, attend church weekly, bible study, and so forth). I have intentionally set the bar low, but not super low, the words I want to hear would be out of character for the person I have in mind. I know that if there's a God, despite some verses in the NT about receiving what you ask for, he plays it close to the vest when it comes to granting prayers. The person is in their seventies, so there's a clock ticking.

Hi,

I really hope that God answers your prayer. It will be interesting to see how things go. I have never really challenged people to put God to the test before. But he has done so many things for me that I can't see why he would not do them for others like yourself.

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Raising people from the dead?

Now I know you're full of shit.

Really??? Don't you want to live forever. Would you trust a God who could not raise the dead.

[Norfolk And Chance]

I have found out from my personal walk with God that he answers some of my prayers very very clearly so I can not doubt the answer has come from God.

Voices in head = schizophrenia.

[Zen Badger]

Raising people from the dead?

Now I know you're full of shit.

Really??? Don't you want to live forever. Would you trust a God who could not raise the dead.

And what does that have to do with your outright lies regarding bringing the dead back to life?