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RE: Without citing the bible, what marks the bible as the one book with God's message?
March 31, 2022 at 12:54 am
(March 30, 2022 at 6:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's part of the christian establishment legend, but not actually true. The romans couldn't have told you the difference between a christian, a jew, or any other heathen.
Pliny the Younger in his letter to Trajan, which would have been contemporaneous with 2 timothy, makes that clear. Roman persecution comes much...much later, in the 300's, responding to the political threat that christianity had since become.
No the persecution of Christians ended in 300 AD when Constantine endorsed Christianity. That is when the first counsel was assembled to decide what would be included in the New Testament. Prior to that the Jewish leadership actually pushed Rome to destroy the Christian movement.
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RE: Without citing the bible, what marks the bible as the one book with God's message?
March 31, 2022 at 1:34 am
(March 31, 2022 at 12:54 am)RBP3280 Wrote: Prior to that the Jewish leadership actually pushed Rome to destroy the Christian movement.
Oh, just more antisemitism.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Without citing the bible, what marks the bible as the one book with God's message?
March 31, 2022 at 3:00 am
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Great, another christian that doesn't know christian history. We needed more of those for sure. The Diocletian persecution, in which christians rights were rescinded..AKA, The Great Persecution..was from 303-313. Constantine actually served with distinction under Diocletian, up to and including in pogroms. He appears to have regretted that a great deal..even if his conversion to christianity was politically motivated, as many often wonder.
The romans didn't give two shits about what the jewish people wanted. Never had.
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RE: Without citing the bible, what marks the bible as the one book with God's message?
March 31, 2022 at 7:05 am
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(March 30, 2022 at 12:07 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah, what makes the Bible word of God but not the Illiad or Lord of the Rings books?
Indeed! It's all merely a matter of presentation. To wit:
“Nine ships there were: four for Elendil, and for Isildur three, and for Anárion two; and they fled before the black gale out of the twilight of doom into the darkness of the world. And the deeps rose beneath them in towering anger, and the waves like unto the mountains moving with great caps of writhen snow bore them up amid the wreckage of the clouds, and after many days cast them away upon the shores of Middle Earth.
“And Erú spake, saying: ‘Behold! These lands are forever yours from the white shores of the sea isles and coastal regions to the green forests, fair plains and valleys, and great mountain ranges.’
“And, thus, did Elendil stand upon the sandy beach of the new land and proclaim: ‘Out of the Great Sea to Middle Earth I have come. Here I shall dwell, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.’” (The Silmarillion: Akallabêth: 75-77)
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