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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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As Cap said, they could have believed in thousands of fucking gods, but they didn't believe in the right one, and so the letter sent home states "no concept of god" the assumption and unspoken portion of course "no concept of the only real god - the correct one". The vast majority of native tribes were described as being "godless". We know, of course, that this was not the case. More accurately they were "christ-less", and at least in this, they were far more advanced than their european conquerors.....
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 14, 2013 at 4:36 pm
"We like to drink. We like more than one woman. We don’t want Jesus. But we like you. You can stay with us. But we don’t want to hear any more about Jesus. OK?”
— a Piraha native ( review of by Daniel Everett)
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 14, 2013 at 5:25 pm
(January 14, 2013 at 11:54 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: This is pretty fascinating, it debunks those who claim that all tribes have some form of worship. Also interesting that the scientifically educated missionary ended up being de-converted by the Atheist tribe.
Reading the title I thought we were talking about well tone atheist women with bare breasts and bows and arrows.
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people
Quote:According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god[11] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made. [5] However, they do believe in spirits that can sometimes take on the shape of things in the environment. These spirits can be jaguars, trees, or other visible, tangible things including people.[12] Everett reported one incident where the Pirahã said that “Xigagaí, one of the beings that lives above the clouds, was standing on a beach yelling at us, telling us that he would kill us if we go into the jungle.” Everett and his daughter could see nothing and yet the Pirahã insisted that Xigagaí was still on the beach.[13]
Uh, they're not exactly atheists.
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Quote:and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him.
Amusing. I lost interest in jesus when I realized that no one had ever seen the fucker.
Maybe I'll move to Brazil?
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 3:58 pm
(January 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm)John V Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people
Quote:According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god[11] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made. [5] However, they do believe in spirits that can sometimes take on the shape of things in the environment. These spirits can be jaguars, trees, or other visible, tangible things including people.[12] Everett reported one incident where the Pirahã said that “Xigagaí, one of the beings that lives above the clouds, was standing on a beach yelling at us, telling us that he would kill us if we go into the jungle.” Everett and his daughter could see nothing and yet the Pirahã insisted that Xigagaí was still on the beach.[13]
Uh, they're not exactly atheists.
Uh, yeah they are. Atheists don't believe in god. While it is unusual, you can still be an atheist and believe in the supernatural, so long as the supurnatural isn't god. The first sentence of the quote you posted proved they are indeed atheists.
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm
(January 18, 2013 at 3:58 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Uh, yeah they are. Atheists don't believe in god. What's a spirit being that lives above the clouds and sometimes gives commands to humans?
Oh yeah, a god.
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 4:22 pm
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(January 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm)John V Wrote: What's a spirit being that lives above the clouds and sometimes gives commands to humans?
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 4:23 pm
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(January 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm)John V Wrote: (January 18, 2013 at 3:58 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Uh, yeah they are. Atheists don't believe in god. What's a spirit being that lives above the clouds and sometimes gives commands to humans?
Oh yeah, a god.
Depends on how you define 'god'. Zeus, for example, was not omnipotent, but he was still considered a god.
However, line one of the quote says: "According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god". Fairly unambiguous and explicit, no?
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RE: Atheist Amazonian tribe.
January 18, 2013 at 4:47 pm
(January 18, 2013 at 4:23 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Depends on how you define 'god'. Zeus, for example, was not omnipotent, but he was still considered a god. Yes, it depends how you define god, and I think that a spirit being which lives above the clouds and sometimes gives commands to humans would fall within most atheists' definition of god. If there were an atheist-only area here and someone there said that there's a spirit being which lives above the clouds and sometimes tells her what to do, she's probably lose her access to the area, don'tcha think?
Quote:However, line one of the quote says: "According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god". Fairly unambiguous and explicit, no?
Yes, unambiguous and contradictory. Seems his own deconversion is biasing his take on episodes he described which speak for themselves.
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