What is secularism for you?

[Something completely different]

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Ever heared the long version of the Dutch national anthem?

Now I am not sure how many parts of this old anthem are used today, but it does speak volumes about the netherlands calvenist past.

Only the first part before sport games; most dutch people, including me, don't have a clue about the rest of the national anthem. National anthems are for sentimental wankers anyway.

In general, I think any state reference to God must be taken away...but I don't think we need to re-write history by deleting all references to a god.

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Secularism = Gott mitt uns

[Angrboda]

I'm in favor of complete separation of church and state, including removal of all religious reference, with very limited exception for clearly historical traditions.

That being said, I recognize that the reality is that we will never have total separation, and simply hope for the more oppressive examples being removed.

I also believe that change which happens too quickly can be as harmful as tarrying in addressing inequities, and argue for a middle course.

[Ryantology]

Government has no business promoting fairy tales in any capacity. Period.

[jonb]

Governments, and systems of control don't matter that much, the culture is what is important, it is very hard to impose a tyranny and sustain it on a liberal culture, and it is also difficult to impose a liberal governance on a culture which is not accepting of difference.