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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 2:27 am
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Dude, this is the unsolicited scripture thread. Have fun with it while you can...
Lighten up, really.
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Genesis 5:9-27
King James Version (KJV)
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 2:34 am
Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.
Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.
Well the first thing you know ol Jed's a millionaire,
Kinfolk said "Jed move away from there"
Said "Californy is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly.
Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
Well now its time to say good by to Jed and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back a gain to this locality
To have a heapin helpin of their hospitality
Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.
Y'all come back now, y'hear?.
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 2:40 am
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2 Samuel 12:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And he sent by the hand of Nathan the prophet; and he called his name Jedidiah, because of the Lord.
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Amos 4:1
King James Version (KJV)
4 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
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Genesis 2:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 2:50 am
I don't have an opinion either way, as something like this can't realistically be boiled down into a one-size fits all rule. There will be times when scriptural quotations might add to your presentation, and times when it would detract from the presentation; times when just a link to John 3:16 adds to the presentation, just the mention of it in parentheses, a full quotation, full quotation plus a link to a commentary, or the quote with excerpts from the commentary, with or without hide tags is best. Ultimately, this boils down to matters of taste, judgement, style and goal. There is no shortcut for the application of intelligence to context.
That being said, I will point out something which you may not be taking into account. Because of your background, you're likely a lot better informed about the context of specific scriptural passages, both in terms of the text itself, but also in terms of how the passage fits into larger themes of theology and the set of stories as a whole. While atheists are generally fairly familiar with the bible, they are familiar with it in a radically different way than you are. So what might seem plain to you on the basis of a short quotation of scripture, may actually include a whole ton of information that you're aware of that the typical non-Christian reader might not glean from a quotation. Again, it's a matter of judgement in any individual case, but you might be better served by explaining the point in your own words, using references to scripture as supplements to your own explanation; you'll likely be able to more effectively communicate what you "have in mind" that way, and still provide the resources for anyone who wishes to dig deeper or who wishes to focus on the scriptural evidence itself.
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 2:55 am
I'm still waiting for the true new covenant according to scripture, then this thread wouldn't be needed...
Hebrews 8:10-12
New International Version (NIV)
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[a]
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm
(February 2, 2013 at 2:27 am)catfish Wrote: Genesis 5:9-27
King James Version (KJV)
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Enoch ... pffft ... what a pussy. Died in what essentially was his late 20's.
And Methuselah ... couldn't quite make that thousand year birthday. Umm wait what? Yep you heard me A THOUSAND YEARS!
As recent as 150 years ago people were still dying of gingivitis for christ's sake! The average life span was 30 years. There was no anti-biotics, or surgery, or blood transfusions. If you got a decent cut on your foot, you could easily die of infection!
And yet still these gullible christards swallow this line, worm hook and all. Fucking primitives.
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 4:19 pm
(February 2, 2013 at 2:50 am)apophenia Wrote:
I don't have an opinion either way, as something like this can't realistically be boiled down into a one-size fits all rule. There will be times when scriptural quotations might add to your presentation, and times when it would detract from the presentation; times when just a link to John 3:16 adds to the presentation, just the mention of it in parentheses, a full quotation, full quotation plus a link to a commentary, or the quote with excerpts from the commentary, with or without hide tags is best. Ultimately, this boils down to matters of taste, judgement, style and goal. There is no shortcut for the application of intelligence to context.
That being said, I will point out something which you may not be taking into account. Because of your background, you're likely a lot better informed about the context of specific scriptural passages, both in terms of the text itself, but also in terms of how the passage fits into larger themes of theology and the set of stories as a whole. While atheists are generally fairly familiar with the bible, they are familiar with it in a radically different way than you are. So what might seem plain to you on the basis of a short quotation of scripture, may actually include a whole ton of information that you're aware of that the typical non-Christian reader might not glean from a quotation. Again, it's a matter of judgement in any individual case, but you might be better served by explaining the point in your own words, using references to scripture as supplements to your own explanation; you'll likely be able to more effectively communicate what you "have in mind" that way, and still provide the resources for anyone who wishes to dig deeper or who wishes to focus on the scriptural evidence itself.
thanks for the insight. I do believe you are correct, in that who I am speaking with is as important as how I present it. Something else to think about...
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 4:40 pm
My own take on the question has more or less been expressed already by others (get out of my head!!!!) Basically, if the discussion is on the subject of scriptural references, or if someone decides that using such a reference bolsters whatever point they're making, then I don't really have a problem with it. It's only when bible/kerrang/whatever verses are doled out in place of a point, as if they somehow carry any authoritative weight when nothing like that is ever established, that's when I label it as spam. It's exactly the same as discussions in which someone does nothing but throw out endless quotes from authority figures from any field, as though a patchwork quilt is the same as intelligent discourse. If I ask a question (about anything other than a bible story) and the only response is some eclectic bible quote, it doesn't make the question go away.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 7:45 pm
'Do you want to see a list of scripture when I make a proclaimation or statement about a given subject or when I start a new thread?
The Xtian scripture is basically a self contradicting group of fairy tales in a collection called the bible
Since you can normally contradict ANY quote you make from those fairy tales - with another quote from them - it makes little difference - you are just cherry picking and taking things out of the context that they are NONSENSE.
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RE: Scripture?
February 2, 2013 at 8:04 pm
(February 2, 2013 at 7:45 pm)ThomM Wrote: 'Do you want to see a list of scripture when I make a proclaimation or statement about a given subject or when I start a new thread?
The Xtian scripture is basically a self contradicting group of fairy tales in a collection called the bible
Since you can normally contradict ANY quote you make from those fairy tales - with another quote from them - it makes little difference - you are just cherry picking and taking things out of the context that they are NONSENSE.
Do you have an example tommm?
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