Woman burned alive for 'sorcery' in Papua New Guinea

[Brian37]

I've already answered your questions. Go back and retread what has been written.

I have. Which is why I'm still asking.

You restate your original premise a lot- that the people this thread was started about weren't acting in accordance with christian beliefs- but then when you're given real, tangible and written proof to the contrary you just go "nuh uh, not according to my personal metric" without once telling us why that should carry any weight.

But since you've apparently already answered, it shouldn't be too hard to go back and quote it for us here, no? I mean, I wouldn't want to do it myself and risk misinterpreting you or putting words in your mouth. I wouldn't want you to have to misuse the term bigot again.

Seriously? Are you Ignorant or illiterate? I've established a direct correlation (several times now) between the official definition of the word bigot, http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries....nary/bigot and the on going unreasonable beliefs about the Christian religion even after an exhaustive effort. It all boils down to you all not wanting to listen to anyone who disagrees with your bigoted closed minded view of Christianity.

Except that a bigot isn't just someone who disagrees with you. And we all disagree with you on what you're choosing to label as bigotry. All you're doing is trying to use an emotionally charged word to shut us all down, and it's not going to work, you disingenuous fuck.

EXACTLY!

They cant see what we do outside the net in our daily lives. They think everyone we work with or know or and all our family members are atheists. They also cant grasp that I can like someone without liking everything they claim.

I can't tell you as a kid how many times my mom, or a teacher, or friend said to me "No, knock it off, your wrong". I didn't assume they hated me.

Another example:

Car driver ignoring red light ahead playing with their cell phone.

Passenger "Hey, put that thing down you are coming to a red light, and you shouldn't be talking on that while driving anyway"

Car driver, "Shut up, I can do what I want"

Passenger, "No you are going to run that red light"

Car driver, "BIGOT, WHY DO YOU HATE ME"

That is what Drich and people of all beliefs do. It is protecting one's ego rather than considering that they are wrong. So they call us bigots like you said to attempt to make us look bad and shut the conversation down.

[Esquilax]

That's a lie. (The rest of your argument was legitimately dismissed because it was based on a bold face lie.)

It is more convenient to just ignore things you don't have an answer to, isn't it?

My arguments have never been centered around 'beliefs.' Christian or otherwise.

Go back and read what was written 10 or 15 times alittle more carefully this time.
Everything appeals to the NT of the bible, the single sole source for ALL Sanctified Christian behavior.

And there's where we start having problems. I know a number of christians, and a number of fundamentalist denominations who don't dismiss the old testament as not applicable to them. I know a number of these types of christians personally.

Do you not understand that there are thousands of christian churches, and that some of them don't take your particular stance? Tell us all why they're wrong and you are right. That's the core of my argument: why should we take your- old testament ignoring, for example- stance as the correct, and only correct, one? And how, exactly, does the fact that someone else might follow a different teaching that accepts both the old and new testament make them less of a christian?

The NT across the board condemns everything done in PNG! Therefore nothing these men did, can be considered a 'Christian act' Nor an act of worship to the God of the bible.

If you're being genuine about calling us bigots, I think here might be the point of disconnect. I understand that, to you, the new testament disavows the actions of these men as christians, and that you think we're bigots for claiming otherwise. And if your specific christian denomination was the only one we had, you'd probably be right.

But the fact is, there are plenty of other christian churches. Some like the old testament, and if they did, then yes, these men would have been acting under christian beliefs; because they don't need your approval to be christians. If they're following the religious teachings they've been given- and again I have to remind you that not all christian denominations teach the same things- then they're christian. Unless you can, of course, provide us with a reason as to why your teachings take precedent over theirs.

We're not being bigoted against christianity, we're just acknowledging the fact that there are many different interpretations of this religion. In fact, you're being more bigoted than we are by demanding that yours is the only proper type of christianity.

Bigotry (in this instance) is misrepresenting the religious beliefs of an entire religion in order to self righteously persecute all who follow that religion. Even after you have been educated to Biblical standards and expectations that all bible believing Christians adhere to..


bigot
noun
ˈbɪɡət ˈbɪɡət
a person who has very strong, unreasonable beliefs or opinions about race, religion or politics and who will not listen to or accept the opinions of anyone who disagrees

Isn't that literally what you're doing right now by refusing to acknowledge the existence of different types of religious teachings?

hypocrite much? What I did was take a word and show you what it literally meant (So as to diffuse the name calling reflex) then I showed you how your behavior met that definition. You on the other hand are trying to use an emotionally charged word to shut me down, and it's not going to work, you disingenuous equine laxative. Get it?? Equ-lax.

I call you that because I haven't see so much horse shit in one place since I worked on my Grand fathers farm!!!

(I went with Horse poop first time around but Auto correct changed it)

Well, that's certainly the level of discourse I've come to expect from you, Drich. Congrats, you now look like more of a child than ever before.

[Drich]

I have. Which is why I'm still asking.

You restate your original premise a lot- that the people this thread was started about weren't acting in accordance with christian beliefs- but then when you're given real, tangible and written proof to the contrary you just go "nuh uh, not according to my personal metric" without once telling us why that should carry any weight.

But since you've apparently already answered, it shouldn't be too hard to go back and quote it for us here, no? I mean, I wouldn't want to do it myself and risk misinterpreting you or putting words in your mouth. I wouldn't want you to have to misuse the term bigot again.


Except that a bigot isn't just someone who disagrees with you. And we all disagree with you on what you're choosing to label as bigotry. All you're doing is trying to use an emotionally charged word to shut us all down, and it's not going to work, you disingenuous fuck.

EXACTLY!

They cant see what we do outside the net in our daily lives. They think everyone we work with or know or and all our family members are atheists. They also cant grasp that I can like someone without liking everything they claim.

I can't tell you as a kid how many times my mom, or a teacher, or friend said to me "No, knock it off, your wrong". I didn't assume they hated me.

Another example:

Car driver ignoring red light ahead playing with their cell phone.

Passenger "Hey, put that thing down you are coming to a red light, and you shouldn't be talking on that while driving anyway"

Car driver, "Shut up, I can do what I want"

Passenger, "No you are going to run that red light"

Car driver, "BIGOT, WHY DO YOU HATE ME"

That is what Drich and people of all beliefs do. It is protecting one's ego rather than considering that they are wrong. So they call us bigots like you said to attempt to make us look bad and shut the conversation down.

One I was not talking to you. Primarily because you hit the panic stop button everytime a conversation gets beyond your grasp. I don't take you seriously enough to consider you a bigot. Your a mild neussance, who occasionally comes up with some good speaking points, but when ever the conversation gets beyond what you ready to argue, you ask me to "prove God..." So no Brian, your not a bigot, so no need to marytar yourself on that alter.

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It is more convenient to just ignore things you don't have an answer to, isn't it?

What Answers? You created a complete Lie then you want me to defend the Lie you created as if it were legit? I think you need to cut your daily intake of hot dogs, if you expect me to defend a straw man of your own creation.

And there's where we start having problems. I know a number of christians, and a number of fundamentalist denominations who don't dismiss the old testament as not applicable to them. I know a number of these types of christians personally.

..And add me to the list.

Do you not understand that there are thousands of christian churches, and that some of them don't take your particular stance?

what they do not accept the bible as the word of God? That they do not understand that OT Judism and NT Christianity are two seperate religions? Do they still sacerfice goats?

Tell us all why they're wrong and you are right. That's the core of my argument: why should we take your- old testament ignoring, for example- stance as the correct, and only correct, one? And how, exactly, does the fact that someone else might follow a different teaching that accepts both the old and new testament make them less of a christian?

This is the core of your problem. you are argueing a principle that absolutly no christian would stand behind no matter what he thought of the Old testament.

Matter of fact their isn't a Jewish sect in practice today that would agree with your assessment. (That it is lawful/a command of god to burn witches)

you have forgone common sense to argue a principle that does not apply to any bible based Judeo-Christian system of belief. your whole arguement is based on the fact that some christians goto Church on saturday rather then sunday. If you are so sure about what you believe then find one of the saturday worshiping Christians and ask him on what day is it ok to burn a suspected witch.

If you're being genuine about calling us bigots, I think here might be the point of disconnect. I understand that, to you, the new testament disavows the actions of these men as christians, and that you think we're bigots for claiming otherwise. And if your specific christian denomination was the only one we had, you'd probably be right.

again No 'Sect' of Bible based Christianity burns witches. The burden of proof is on you to show one that does. (start in PNG your best bet is to find one there.)

We're not being bigoted against christianity, we're just acknowledging the fact that there are many different interpretations of this religion. In fact, you're being more bigoted than we are by demanding that yours is the only proper type of christianity.

What makes you a bigot is that no matter what Cermonial version of Christianity you want to side with, all Bible based Christians wholely accept the Moral law of the NT. At least when it comes to burning witches.

Isn't that literally what you're doing right now by refusing to acknowledge the existence of different types of religious teachings?

You have failed to show me one. you have pointed to cermonial differences but you have not once named a single branch of biblically based Christianity who has adopted a witch burning doctrine. (Even if you had I can point to Acts 8 Mat 5 and 1/2 a dozen other verse that say Murder is wrong and that we are not to burn witches by the example of the apstole Peter.)

To which as many times as I mentioned Peter's interaction with a legit witch you have yet to comment. surly you know This is the final nail in your arguements coffin. We have a conclusive perscribed way outlined by one of the leading apstoles that shows the whole of Christianity how 'we' are to deal with witches. The Arguement is over. Peter did not burn the witch in acts 8, we are not to burn witches in acts 8. You can say nothing else of consenquence. (which make your persute and insistance that the oppsite is true just hatful religious bigotry)

Well, that's certainly the level of discourse I've come to expect from you, Drich. Congrats, you now look like more of a child than ever before.

boo-ya

[Darkstar]

But they are not biblically based True Witches™!
(Sorcerers and witches in the bible had actual powers)

Book chapter and verse.

Why would there be a book chapter and verse explicityly defining "sorcerer" in the bible?

In the bible, magic is real. We have:

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Acts 8:9
Simon the Sorcerer

9 Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great,

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Acts 16:16

Paul and Silas in Prison

16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling.

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Exodus 7:10-11

10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. 11 Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts:

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Exodus 8:6-7

6 So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt, and the frogs came up and covered the land. 7 But the magicians did the same things by their secret arts; they also made frogs come up on the land of Egypt.

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How can you call yourself a sorcerer if you can't at least make frogs come out of the ground? They're obviously not True Witches™.

...but seriously, though, where did all of these magical powers go? My original thread on the topic never reached an answer...

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You have failed to show me one. you have pointed to cermonial differences but you have not once named a single branch of biblically based Christianity who has adopted a witch burning doctrine.

Adopted? Thay just never got rid of the old one...

[Mystical]

Very first book of the New Testament:

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

[Drich]

Very first book of the New Testament:

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Asked and answered directed at you page 9 third on from the top.

[Esquilax]

what they do not accept the bible as the word of God? That they do not understand that OT Judism and NT Christianity are two seperate religions? Do they still sacerfice goats?

Are you doing this on purpose?

What I'm saying is that yes, there are biblical literalists out there who disagree with you that the old testament has nothing for them. There are also varying degrees of this; churches that follow some of the old testament without following all of it. Seventh Day Adventists and Southern Baptists do this. It's not a matter of cartoonish extremes; your religion is one of immense subtlety, in terms of who and what its adherents decide to follow.

Let me put it this way: there are 30,000 different christian denominations. When they die, the followers of 29,999 of those are going to be shocked to find they haven't been worshipping exactly the right god, at a minimum. What basis do you have to believe that you're a part of the one group who got it right?

This is the core of your problem. you are argueing a principle that absolutly no christian would stand behind no matter what he thought of the Old testament.

Matter of fact their isn't a Jewish sect in practice today that would agree with your assessment. (That it is lawful/a command of god to burn witches)

This is one of those things you have to prove. You say that, but at the same time you have religious leaders even in America calling for gay people to be put to death, something that probably falls under this "don't murder" rule you're clinging to here. Just do a search for Curtis Knapp: here's a guy whose message is completely contradicting your own, but he's able to provide scriptural bases for it.

you have forgone common sense to argue a principle that does not apply to any bible based Judeo-Christian system of belief. your whole arguement is based on the fact that some christians goto Church on saturday rather then sunday. If you are so sure about what you believe then find one of the saturday worshiping Christians and ask him on what day is it ok to burn a suspected witch.

And there were christians not that long ago who murdered witches in Salem. Why were they wrong and you right? What makes your position correct?

You can spin the bible so it's for any position you care to mention; my question to you is, why is your interpretation correct? So far, all you've done is assert that it is, over and over. Prove it.

again No 'Sect' of Bible based Christianity burns witches. The burden of proof is on you to show one that does. (start in PNG your best bet is to find one there.)

Except the ones that did, historically. You can't say it's impossible when it did literally happen. Besides which, my point here is that the burden of proof is on you in terms of your scriptural interpretations. Why are you correct to begin with?

However though, I did find a youtube video of exactly that happening. But it's really gruesome and I'm not sure if I'd be allowed to post it. Or if I'd want to. Shouldn't be too hard to find, anyway.

Beyond that, here you go: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18...24943.html

Proof enough for you?

What makes you a bigot is that no matter what Cermonial version of Christianity you want to side with, all Bible based Christians wholely accept the Moral law of the NT. At least when it comes to burning witches.

Okay, you've stated your original position again. Good. Now, can you please prove it, finally?

You have failed to show me one. you have pointed to cermonial differences but you have not once named a single branch of biblically based Christianity who has adopted a witch burning doctrine. (Even if you had I can point to Acts 8 Mat 5 and 1/2 a dozen other verse that say Murder is wrong and that we are not to burn witches by the example of the apstole Peter.)

Where do you draw the line? When does a "ceremonial difference" become a "branch difference?" Let me guess, you're the one who decides that? You're just ignoring the evidence because it doesn't suit your purposes.

To which as many times as I mentioned Peter's interaction with a legit witch you have yet to comment. surly you know This is the final nail in your arguements coffin.

Not really, because like I've said, not everyone agrees with you. Sometimes the text is spun a different way.

Look, I'm pretty much done with you. You've shown repeatedly that nothing can get through your thick skull and fatuous arrogance. You're going to stick to your original premise without reason or evidence, and despite repeated requests you've offered no insight as to why we should take your biblical views seriously at all. In essence, your rambling, near incoherent idiocy is no different from that of a homeless man with his cardboard "the end is nigh!" sign, and you've given us no reason to think otherwise.

Kindly do so in your next post, or just shut the fuck up forever. Because if you spend one more frigging post detailing exactly the same fucking claims again and again without any form of credibility, then I'm calling it. I'm done. It's over, and if you fail to address my question, then you've admitted defeat.

The end.

[Brian37]

EXACTLY!

They cant see what we do outside the net in our daily lives. They think everyone we work with or know or and all our family members are atheists. They also cant grasp that I can like someone without liking everything they claim.

I can't tell you as a kid how many times my mom, or a teacher, or friend said to me "No, knock it off, your wrong". I didn't assume they hated me.

Another example:

Car driver ignoring red light ahead playing with their cell phone.

Passenger "Hey, put that thing down you are coming to a red light, and you shouldn't be talking on that while driving anyway"

Car driver, "Shut up, I can do what I want"

Passenger, "No you are going to run that red light"

Car driver, "BIGOT, WHY DO YOU HATE ME"

That is what Drich and people of all beliefs do. It is protecting one's ego rather than considering that they are wrong. So they call us bigots like you said to attempt to make us look bad and shut the conversation down.

One I was not talking to you. Primarily because you hit the panic stop button everytime a conversation gets beyond your grasp. I don't take you seriously enough to consider you a bigot. Your a mild neussance, who occasionally comes up with some good speaking points, but when ever the conversation gets beyond what you ready to argue, you ask me to "prove God..." So no Brian, your not a bigot, so no need to marytar yourself on that alter.

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It is more convenient to just ignore things you don't have an answer to, isn't it?

What Answers? You created a complete Lie then you want me to defend the Lie you created as if it were legit? I think you need to cut your daily intake of hot dogs, if you expect me to defend a straw man of your own creation.

And there's where we start having problems. I know a number of christians, and a number of fundamentalist denominations who don't dismiss the old testament as not applicable to them. I know a number of these types of christians personally.

..And add me to the list.

Do you not understand that there are thousands of christian churches, and that some of them don't take your particular stance?

what they do not accept the bible as the word of God? That they do not understand that OT Judism and NT Christianity are two seperate religions? Do they still sacerfice goats?

Tell us all why they're wrong and you are right. That's the core of my argument: why should we take your- old testament ignoring, for example- stance as the correct, and only correct, one? And how, exactly, does the fact that someone else might follow a different teaching that accepts both the old and new testament make them less of a christian?

This is the core of your problem. you are argueing a principle that absolutly no christian would stand behind no matter what he thought of the Old testament.

Matter of fact their isn't a Jewish sect in practice today that would agree with your assessment. (That it is lawful/a command of god to burn witches)

you have forgone common sense to argue a principle that does not apply to any bible based Judeo-Christian system of belief. your whole arguement is based on the fact that some christians goto Church on saturday rather then sunday. If you are so sure about what you believe then find one of the saturday worshiping Christians and ask him on what day is it ok to burn a suspected witch.

If you're being genuine about calling us bigots, I think here might be the point of disconnect. I understand that, to you, the new testament disavows the actions of these men as christians, and that you think we're bigots for claiming otherwise. And if your specific christian denomination was the only one we had, you'd probably be right.

again No 'Sect' of Bible based Christianity burns witches. The burden of proof is on you to show one that does. (start in PNG your best bet is to find one there.)

We're not being bigoted against christianity, we're just acknowledging the fact that there are many different interpretations of this religion. In fact, you're being more bigoted than we are by demanding that yours is the only proper type of christianity.

What makes you a bigot is that no matter what Cermonial version of Christianity you want to side with, all Bible based Christians wholely accept the Moral law of the NT. At least when it comes to burning witches.

Isn't that literally what you're doing right now by refusing to acknowledge the existence of different types of religious teachings?

You have failed to show me one. you have pointed to cermonial differences but you have not once named a single branch of biblically based Christianity who has adopted a witch burning doctrine. (Even if you had I can point to Acts 8 Mat 5 and 1/2 a dozen other verse that say Murder is wrong and that we are not to burn witches by the example of the apstole Peter.)

To which as many times as I mentioned Peter's interaction with a legit witch you have yet to comment. surly you know This is the final nail in your arguements coffin. We have a conclusive perscribed way outlined by one of the leading apstoles that shows the whole of Christianity how 'we' are to deal with witches. The Arguement is over. Peter did not burn the witch in acts 8, we are not to burn witches in acts 8. You can say nothing else of consenquence. (which make your persute and insistance that the oppsite is true just hatful religious bigotry)

Well, that's certainly the level of discourse I've come to expect from you, Drich. Congrats, you now look like more of a child than ever before.

boo-ya

One I was not talking to you. Primarily because you hit the panic stop button everytime a conversation gets beyond your grasp

You didn't Boo-ya anyone jackass. And I am talking to you.

What is not to understand? You have a pet invisible fictional friend you falsely believe is real. You hit the panic button when I simply say "so what" other people have other pet fictional super heros too. YOU hit the panic button when I say "take a number".

Your problem with me is I don't get distracted by your Yellow Brick road convoluted tactics. I wouldn't give one rats ass if you claimed your god's name was Frank and there was a 100,000 year old book that claimed your god Frank was real. I don't buy it when Muslims or Jews or Hindus do it either. And please remember I once believed myself so don't fucking pull that bigot shit.

The only person here not grasping reality is you. You don't understand there is a gigantic difference between what you want to be real, and what you can prove is real. You think you are special and get pissed when I tell you that other people with other beliefs truly believe as fervently as you do, that they are right. And again, I say SO WHAT.

It never occurs to you that YOU could be wrong. It never occurs to you that you are merely protecting your own ego because you don't want to feel you wasted all this time on a fantasy. It would be too embarrassing for you so rather than face that embarrassment, like many of us here did, and accepted, because unlike you the truth was too important to us to falsely cling to something we couldn't defend, instead of considering you got it wrong, you resist because your feelings of what you want are more important to you than facts.

Now the FACTS are that the only place we find any type of thinking process is within biological evolution. There is absolutely NO evidence of thoughts existing outside a biological process in life. On top of that we have MOUNDS of evidence that humans can and do make up gods and all sorts of stupid superstitions, not just what you have swallowed. MANY of us here used have all sorts of woo we fell for and grew out of.

The truth you don't want to face, the truth many of us her finally faced, is that we, meaning the ones here who once believed, is that it was nothing but our own selfish desires and wishful thinking. That is how ALL religions start and ALL superstitions start. Someone gets a thought in their head, they don't care to question it, they simply go with it because it "feels right" and "sounds good". That is what I was doing when I believed, and that is all you are doing now. And that is what Jews and Hindus and Shintoists and Scientologists do too. You are not special and ARE making the same mistake I made and Jews and Muslims and all religious people make.

[Drich]

One I was not talking to you. Primarily because you hit the panic stop button everytime a conversation gets beyond your grasp. I don't take you seriously enough to consider you a bigot. Your a mild neussance, who occasionally comes up with some good speaking points, but when ever the conversation gets beyond what you ready to argue, you ask me to "prove God..." So no Brian, your not a bigot, so no need to marytar yourself on that alter.

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What Answers? You created a complete Lie then you want me to defend the Lie you created as if it were legit? I think you need to cut your daily intake of hot dogs, if you expect me to defend a straw man of your own creation.

..And add me to the list.

what they do not accept the bible as the word of God? That they do not understand that OT Judism and NT Christianity are two seperate religions? Do they still sacerfice goats?

This is the core of your problem. you are argueing a principle that absolutly no christian would stand behind no matter what he thought of the Old testament.

Matter of fact their isn't a Jewish sect in practice today that would agree with your assessment. (That it is lawful/a command of god to burn witches)

you have forgone common sense to argue a principle that does not apply to any bible based Judeo-Christian system of belief. your whole arguement is based on the fact that some christians goto Church on saturday rather then sunday. If you are so sure about what you believe then find one of the saturday worshiping Christians and ask him on what day is it ok to burn a suspected witch.

again No 'Sect' of Bible based Christianity burns witches. The burden of proof is on you to show one that does. (start in PNG your best bet is to find one there.)

What makes you a bigot is that no matter what Cermonial version of Christianity you want to side with, all Bible based Christians wholely accept the Moral law of the NT. At least when it comes to burning witches.

You have failed to show me one. you have pointed to cermonial differences but you have not once named a single branch of biblically based Christianity who has adopted a witch burning doctrine. (Even if you had I can point to Acts 8 Mat 5 and 1/2 a dozen other verse that say Murder is wrong and that we are not to burn witches by the example of the apstole Peter.)

To which as many times as I mentioned Peter's interaction with a legit witch you have yet to comment. surly you know This is the final nail in your arguements coffin. We have a conclusive perscribed way outlined by one of the leading apstoles that shows the whole of Christianity how 'we' are to deal with witches. The Arguement is over. Peter did not burn the witch in acts 8, we are not to burn witches in acts 8. You can say nothing else of consenquence. (which make your persute and insistance that the oppsite is true just hatful religious bigotry)


boo-ya

One I was not talking to you. Primarily because you hit the panic stop button everytime a conversation gets beyond your grasp

You didn't Boo-ya anyone jackass. And I am talking to you.

What is not to understand? You have a pet invisible fictional friend you falsely believe is real. You hit the panic button when I simply say "so what" other people have other pet fictional super heros too. YOU hit the panic button when I say "take a number".

Your problem with me is I don't get distracted by your Yellow Brick road convoluted tactics. I wouldn't give one rats ass if you claimed your god's name was Frank and there was a 100,000 year old book that claimed your god Frank was real. I don't buy it when Muslims or Jews or Hindus do it either. And please remember I once believed myself so don't fucking pull that bigot shit.

The only person here not grasping reality is you. You don't understand there is a gigantic difference between what you want to be real, and what you can prove is real. You think you are special and get pissed when I tell you that other people with other beliefs truly believe as fervently as you do, that they are right. And again, I say SO WHAT.

It never occurs to you that YOU could be wrong. It never occurs to you that you are merely protecting your own ego because you don't want to feel you wasted all this time on a fantasy. It would be too embarrassing for you so rather than face that embarrassment, like many of us here did, and accepted, because unlike you the truth was too important to us to falsely cling to something we couldn't defend, instead of considering you got it wrong, you resist because your feelings of what you want are more important to you than facts.

Now the FACTS are that the only place we find any type of thinking process is within biological evolution. There is absolutely NO evidence of thoughts existing outside a biological process in life. On top of that we have MOUNDS of evidence that humans can and do make up gods and all sorts of stupid superstitions, not just what you have swallowed. MANY of us here used have all sorts of woo we fell for and grew out of.

The truth you don't want to face, the truth many of us her finally faced, is that we, meaning the ones here who once believed, is that it was nothing but our own selfish desires and wishful thinking. That is how ALL religions start and ALL superstitions start. Someone gets a thought in their head, they don't care to question it, they simply go with it because it "feels right" and "sounds good". That is what I was doing when I believed, and that is all you are doing now. And that is what Jews and Hindus and Shintoists and Scientologists do too. You are not special and ARE making the same mistake I made and Jews and Muslims and all religious people make.

Two things, 1) I did not boo ya you, i boo ya-ed equlax mind your own posts, you seem to have enough trouble with the comments directed to you, let alone trying to manage someone elses stuff.

2) your whole last post is an example of why I can not take you seriously. You have a natural progression to try and trump every conversation with 'no proof of God.' You did it here. So why should I waist my time if I know you will end everything you begin with this line, in one form or another?

As I have told you a 100 times I have no proof to give you. Only God can give you proof, and before He will give you anything you understand you have been commanded to humble yourself before Him, but your pride demands proof, and so on it goes.

So again don't take offense, but you are one that i can not do anything for. You want what God is not willing to give unless you make the first step. You won't so their is nothing else to do. That is why i do not see you as a bigot. Your just a benign poster who does not agree with theism.

so meh,

[Brian37]

You didn't Boo-ya anyone jackass. And I am talking to you.

What is not to understand? You have a pet invisible fictional friend you falsely believe is real. You hit the panic button when I simply say "so what" other people have other pet fictional super heros too. YOU hit the panic button when I say "take a number".

Your problem with me is I don't get distracted by your Yellow Brick road convoluted tactics. I wouldn't give one rats ass if you claimed your god's name was Frank and there was a 100,000 year old book that claimed your god Frank was real. I don't buy it when Muslims or Jews or Hindus do it either. And please remember I once believed myself so don't fucking pull that bigot shit.

The only person here not grasping reality is you. You don't understand there is a gigantic difference between what you want to be real, and what you can prove is real. You think you are special and get pissed when I tell you that other people with other beliefs truly believe as fervently as you do, that they are right. And again, I say SO WHAT.

It never occurs to you that YOU could be wrong. It never occurs to you that you are merely protecting your own ego because you don't want to feel you wasted all this time on a fantasy. It would be too embarrassing for you so rather than face that embarrassment, like many of us here did, and accepted, because unlike you the truth was too important to us to falsely cling to something we couldn't defend, instead of considering you got it wrong, you resist because your feelings of what you want are more important to you than facts.

Now the FACTS are that the only place we find any type of thinking process is within biological evolution. There is absolutely NO evidence of thoughts existing outside a biological process in life. On top of that we have MOUNDS of evidence that humans can and do make up gods and all sorts of stupid superstitions, not just what you have swallowed. MANY of us here used have all sorts of woo we fell for and grew out of.

The truth you don't want to face, the truth many of us her finally faced, is that we, meaning the ones here who once believed, is that it was nothing but our own selfish desires and wishful thinking. That is how ALL religions start and ALL superstitions start. Someone gets a thought in their head, they don't care to question it, they simply go with it because it "feels right" and "sounds good". That is what I was doing when I believed, and that is all you are doing now. And that is what Jews and Hindus and Shintoists and Scientologists do too. You are not special and ARE making the same mistake I made and Jews and Muslims and all religious people make.

Two things, 1) I did not boo ya you, i boo ya-ed equlax mind your own posts, you seem to have enough trouble with the comments directed to you, let alone trying to manage someone elses stuff.

2) your whole last post is an example of why I can not take you seriously. You have a natural progression to try and trump every conversation with 'no proof of God.' You did it here. So why should I waist my time if I know you will end everything you begin with this line, in one form or another?

As I have told you a 100 times I have no proof to give you. Only God can give you proof, and before He will give you anything you understand you have been commanded to humble yourself before Him, but your pride demands proof, and so on it goes.

So again don't take offense, but you are one that i can not do anything for. You want what God is not willing to give unless you make the first step. You won't so their is nothing else to do. That is why i do not see you as a bigot. Your just a benign poster who does not agree with theism.

so meh,

Oh yea, this coming from someone who has an invisible friend. Just remember that always. You cant take me seriously yet you insist that somehow magically your tin foil hat gets you a cosmic bat phone to the big guy upstairs.

No, if I claimed I could fart a Lamborghini out of my ass you'd be absolutely right not to take such a claim seriously. But don't lecture me about what should be taken seriously when you claim to have an invisible friend.

You want what God is not willing to give unless you make the first step.

I am not insisting on a damned thing from a fictional character. That would be like me expecting Superman to save me. You don't expect anything from Mickey Mouse do you? You don't demand that Harry Potter buy you a broom do you?

I am talking about YOU and your absurd logic, in the same ignorance that kept me believing for so long. I am talking about the bad use of logic that leads humans to make up gods and swallow what sounds pretty to them.