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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 4:01 am
(February 12, 2013 at 3:53 am)catfish Wrote: You're not understanding me... You don't have to do or believe anything. What you need to do is simply recognise is that some people do believe some things and those things are real to them because they believe. The question is why does a person believe? You keep asking me why you should believe, and I'll keep telling you to make up your own mind. If you like it, believe it, if not, don't. How it affects your behavior is all that matters.
Who here has at one time or currently believes in the "infallible" theory? Who here once believed in "hell" (or currently believes)?
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"How it affects your behaviour is all that matters."
So it doesn't matter how much of the Bible is true theologically or historically, if at all. As long as the placebo effect is in place, you're justified in what you believe. Correct?
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 4:11 am
You keep asking me. Make a statement instead.
If someone wants to believe that the Bible is infallible, I ask why? Because someone else said to?
You implied the Bible was infallible, I want to know why you would imply that or why you think others would imply that. When someone feeds you the "all scripture is inspired blah blah blah", do you see that as a command to believe everything? Or do you make up your own mind? I can accept that verse literally and still acknowledge the Bible has errors...
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 4:25 am
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(February 12, 2013 at 4:11 am)catfish Wrote: You keep asking me. Make a statement instead.
If someone wants to believe that the Bible is infallible, I ask why? Because someone else said to?
You implied the Bible was infallible, I want to know why you would imply that or why you think others would imply that. When someone feeds you the "all scripture is inspired blah blah blah", do you see that as a command to believe everything? Or do you make up your own mind? I can accept that verse literally and still acknowledge the Bible has errors...
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You know what, I'll let you in on a secret. I'm a closet Christian. I believe that murder is wrong just like the Bible says. I believe that turning the other cheek is usually the best thing to do when in conflict with someone. There are things about me that are reflected in scripture, which means I undeniably believe in those portions of scripture.
Now that the truth about me is out there, I might as well keep going. I'm also a closet Taoist. I acknowledge the polar opposites of this world like night & day, life & death, male & female etc...
Buddhism makes sense to me because my real experiences of deja vu indicate to me that I have been reincarnated before.
Do you see some sort of pattern here? Our beliefs are bound to be found in superstitious scribblings of less civilized people. To then go further and idolize those scribblings to the extent of relabelling things according to those scribblings (e.g. intellectual dissonance -> demons) is your choice. My advice to you is to simply let go of the book. There's nothing miraculous about finding your values/morals to be reflected in scripture. Religions of the world don't have a monopoly on values/morality/experiences/philosophy. Just let go and be you.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 6:18 am
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 6:44 am
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(February 11, 2013 at 7:09 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote: Wouldn't it be easier for the writers of the Bible (if you don't think God wrote it) to have Jesus born in Jerusalem and call it a day? No, they had him move there. That tells me that this had to be a real person, or at least, for you atheists' sake, based on a certain person.
But then he wouldn't be fulfilling Old Testament prophecy, hence why he had to be born in Bethlehem with all that Roman census business. A Roman census that no-one appeared to notice at the time. That's not the only thing mentioned in the New Testament no-one seemed to notice at the time.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 11:13 am
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Hi ape.
I think that humans in general really underestimate the concept of conspiracy. Jesus "and all religions" are accused of being conspiracies on high scales, used to deceive people & control them.
The problem is ; things aren't that simple. A character with the size of Jesus is something really big, you need at least hundreds of people (with the same mentality,goal & capabilities) to hold to the same ideas for hundreds of years, forge thousands of bibles & books, just to invent Jesus ?
That kind of effort -especially if you're hunted by Roman soldiers- is an impossible task ; the reason stays : WHY ? why would they forge that ?
Religions were never racial ; those religions weren't forged by countries or states. All evidence proves, that people started that, not kings & emperors,the reason stays : why would medieval peasants do that ?
Sometimes, people think about the ancient humans as if they were modern. Ancient humans were simple, most of them couldn't read.
Forging religious conspiracies on this high scale is something impossible to medieval people.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 12, 2013 at 12:25 pm
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
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