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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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(February 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm)Insanity x Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Stop at the first half and you got it. The only thing that moves us forward to new discoveries is observation and testing, not assuming.
but you have to assume that it's all real so you can start testing. 
Oh god, now you are just screwing with me.
There is a huge difference with a claim that has some prior back up, and simply assuming with nothing. Scientific method has a foundation and gets built upon, that is not the same as pulling shit out of your ass.
This reminds me of Revenge of the Nerds 2 when Ogar the Jock and nerds were smoking pot on the beach and they were philosophizing and Ogar said "Guys, what if C-A-T actually spelled D-O-G".
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm)Insanity x Wrote: but you have to assume that it's all real so you can start testing.
Oh god, now you are just screwing with me.
No, he isn't. That reality exists and is observable by us is a fundamental axiom (unprovable assumption) of science.
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Oh god, now you are just screwing with me.
No, he isn't. That reality exists and is observable by us is a fundamental axiom (unprovable assumption) of science.
No, we need labs an and testing. So saying science is an unprovable assumption is absurd.
This is as silly as saying "you cant see air but you know it is there".
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: No, he isn't. That reality exists and is observable by us is a fundamental axiom (unprovable assumption) of science.
No, we need labs an and testing. So saying science is an unprovable assumption is absurd.
This is as silly as saying "you cant see air but you know it is there".
Your reading comprehension needs work.
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, we need labs an and testing. So saying science is an unprovable assumption is absurd.
This is as silly as saying "you cant see air but you know it is there".
Your reading comprehension needs work.
What did I miss? You mean axiom?
Sorry, there is a huge difference between the starting points scientific method uses and the "axioms" laypersons use as definitions.
I'm not going to fall for or allow a si fi woo Matrix garbage be equated to lagit science. QM is lagit science. The Matrix is si fi woo.
It is the same crap that allows the word "create" that a scientist may use when describing an observation, and the theist who twists that word to mean a magic cognition as a cause.
It is true when a scientists starts something they are starting somewhere, but they are not starting with nothing. They are still using data, and observation and testing. That is still not the same as pulling something out of your ass.
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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(February 14, 2013 at 2:00 pm)Phish Wrote: -is there any way we can prove that we aren't just sleeping and when we die we wake up.
-our entire universe could be a gigantic brain cell!
- how to be sure im not just imagining all this and all of things in this world are just part of my imagination?
and how do you go on living,such questions totally screwed me up
pinch yourself...hard
you feel...therefore you are
good luck with where ever that takes you
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Your reading comprehension needs work.
What did I miss? You mean axiom?
No, I mean this:
(February 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So saying science is an unprovable assumption is absurd.
I didn't suggest any such thing.
(February 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Sorry, there is a huge difference between the starting points scientific method uses and the "axioms" laypersons use as definitions.
I'm not going to fall for or allow a si fi woo Matrix garbage be equated to lagit science. QM is lagit science. The Matrix is si fi woo.
It is the same crap that allows the word "create" that a scientist may use when describing an observation, and the theist who twists that word to mean a magic cognition as a cause.
It is true when a scientists starts something they are starting somewhere, but they are not starting with nothing. They are still using data, and observation and testing. That is still not the same as pulling something out of your ass.
I didn't suggest any of the above, either. You read far too much between the lines.
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 2:59 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Brian37 Wrote: What did I miss? You mean axiom?
No, I mean this:
(February 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So saying science is an unprovable assumption is absurd.
I didn't suggest any such thing.
(February 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Sorry, there is a huge difference between the starting points scientific method uses and the "axioms" laypersons use as definitions.
I'm not going to fall for or allow a si fi woo Matrix garbage be equated to lagit science. QM is lagit science. The Matrix is si fi woo.
It is the same crap that allows the word "create" that a scientist may use when describing an observation, and the theist who twists that word to mean a magic cognition as a cause.
It is true when a scientists starts something they are starting somewhere, but they are not starting with nothing. They are still using data, and observation and testing. That is still not the same as pulling something out of your ass.
I didn't suggest any of the above, either. You read far too much between the lines.
So if you don't disagree with me then what do you think I am missing? Science, especially QM suggests weird things? Yea, but it will never make fiction or si fi real or invisible beings real. It also will not make the universe itself a thinking being.
Still failing to understand why people are trying to turn "you don't know" into "therefore" propositions.
We can rule out allot of crap without worrying about the future. That is all I am saying.
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 3:02 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I didn't suggest any of the above, either. You read far too much between the lines.
He just got 'done' talking to me... of course he's going to 'read in between the lines'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiKOJOXMJU
So much you could have done with that, Cthulhy... I'd handle it, but he's pissy with me 
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RE: How can we be sure this is reality?
February 15, 2013 at 3:08 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 3:02 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: (February 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I didn't suggest any of the above, either. You read far too much between the lines.
He just got 'done' talking to me... of course he's going to 'read in between the lines'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiKOJOXMJU
So much you could have done with that, Cthulhy... I'd handle it, but he's pissy with me
Ok, correct me if I am wrong. One of two things is going on here. You really think I am mean, or am being needlessly mean, as portrayed by those muppet characters(loved those guys btw),
Or, this simply a repeat of the ABBA thread where it is going over my head.
Whatever it is, maybe I just need more time to get your humor. You did admit to poking people with sticks sometimes.
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