What is a proof?

[Muslim Scholar]

for example I can prove the existence of a Creator
Then prove that this creator must be eternal

No you cant. Because the title is simply a word, it doesnt bring any other substancial evidence with it.

It will be interesting to see you trying to refute the proof

But anyway, you just dont care about what people give as counter arguments. Which means that you are essentialy not interested in debate but interested in spreading your bullshit which is the scientific term for preaching

When I see something rational, I'll answer it.

[Something completely different]

It will be interesting to see you trying to refute the proof

So you add a meaningless and out of context sentence when you run out of arguments?
You ignore everything I wrote and simply jump to releasing anotherone of your brainfart.

Well, let me tell you. I cant refute god. And it doesnt even matter.
Neither to me, nore (I am certain) to any other atheist on this forum.
I am someone who believes those things to be true which have been proven to me with scientific testable evidence.
In other words, I would believe in a god who is proven to exist.
I dont want to refute your god, I need him proven to acknowlege his existence.

You tried proving him, you were unsuccessfull.

Now, like if you had a 9 year olds brain you think I own you a refutation of your god. Well I dont. I am not the one who is trying to convince you of anything. I am the one who lives a life determined by critical thoughtprocess and the constant reevaluation of facts to draw conclusions.

You didnt provide facts, but simple minded and childish constructions which would only convince the dimest of minds.

So grow up.

When I see something rational, I'll answer it.

You dont even know what rational means, since you are the one who believed that a name was proof of something.
If that is so, then one might aswell believe in unichorns, goblins and trolls. Your reasoning fits into the very definition of irrational, since you havent thought your points through and undergone selfcritizim in the slightest.

[KichigaiNeko]

Cue the nukes

He's just a troll TGAC don't stress. Bet he/she ins't even muslim

[Something completely different]

Cue the nukes

He's just a troll TGAC don't stress. Bet he/she ins't even muslim

I am not stressing. I stressed yesterday, it is simply what my replies look like to a person who behaves like a annoying child - i treat him like a annoying child.

[Muslim Scholar]

Well, let me tell you. I cant refute god. And it doesnt even matter.
Neither to me, nore (I am certain) to any other atheist on this forum.

Then if I presented a proof and you cannot refute
Even if it is inductive it will be the best that you have and you would have to accept.

I am someone who believes those things to be true which have been proven to me with scientific testable evidence.
In other words, I would believe in a god who is proven to exist.
I dont want to refute your god, I need him proven to acknowlege his existence.

I would have to agree with that

[KichigaiNeko]

Cue the nukes

He's just a troll TGAC don't stress. Bet he/she ins't even muslim

I am not stressing. I stressed yesterday, it is simply what my replies look like to a person who behaves like a annoying child - i treat him like a annoying child.

Yes he/she does seem like an annoying ineffectual child. Your post are just looking a little stressed, that's all

[Something completely different]

Then if I presented a proof and you cannot refute
Even if it is inductive it will be the best that you have and you would have to accept.

If it follows the circle to being an observation out of which one can put up a theroy through induction and deduct it for observation - meaning following the principles of scientific reasoning.

Yes. I will accept that your god exists.

Which does not mean that I will follow your god.

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Yes he/she does seem like an annoying ineffectual child. Your post are just looking a little stressed, that's all

OH I am completly different wen stressed.
and I am hardly ever stressed. But thank you for caring

[KichigaiNeko]

OH I am completly different wen stressed.
and I am hardly ever stressed. But thank you for caring

It's what this Kitteh does best

[Cyberman]

One last comment before the proof

What to proof about God
In Islam God has many names, each name is reflecting a characteristic about God, those names can be categorized into:
1- Assigned names
Which are names that God asked us to call him by, (e.g. Allah)
These names cannot be proved they are just assigned by God

2-Defining names
Which are names that define God himself, even God doesn't have a choice about them, they are the same as God himself
for example "The only God", "The First", "The Eternal"
Those names can be proved by Logic

3- Action Names
Those names are assigned to God because of his actions (e.g. merciful, creator, Justice, etc.)
Those names reflect God's actions in the Universe
You can agree or disagree with them based on your understanding

So proving God, means proving the existence of a being that has type 2 of the names above.

I hope that I explained it well for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXrXBsTFSE

[downbeatplumb]

Islam is submission to scholars.

You may be onto something.
Taliban translates as "student"