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RE: Science and religion
March 23, 2013 at 9:57 pm
I lived a holy life. Very bland. Would not recommend.
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RE: Science and religion
March 23, 2013 at 10:07 pm
(March 23, 2013 at 9:41 pm)jstrodel Wrote: All of your posts are one line naked assertions in which you make a very controversial claim without providing any support for it.
That comment is certainly dripping with irony.
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RE: Science and religion
March 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm
(March 23, 2013 at 9:57 pm)Tonus Wrote: I lived a holy life. Very bland. Would not recommend.
No you didn't. You never lived a holy life. Holiness is when your eyes open and you see the glory of God. It is intensely pleasurable and satisfying to experience the glory of God.
You had religion. Religion is when you go to church and you have to follow a bunch of rules. That isn't real holiness. Holiness is when you know God and live out of God's glory.
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RE: Science and religion
March 23, 2013 at 11:49 pm
(March 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm)jstrodel Wrote: No you didn't. You never lived a holy life. Holiness is when your eyes open and you see the glory of God. It is intensely pleasurable and satisfying to experience the glory of God.
I love reading tidbits from your fictional perception of reality.
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RE: Science and religion
March 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm
(March 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm)jstrodel Wrote: (March 23, 2013 at 9:57 pm)Tonus Wrote: I lived a holy life. Very bland. Would not recommend.
No you didn't. You never lived a holy life.
How would you know? Are you clairvoyant, perhaps?
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RE: Science and religion
March 23, 2013 at 11:59 pm
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(March 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (March 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm)jstrodel Wrote: No you didn't. You never lived a holy life.
How would you know? Are you clairvoyant, perhaps?
Because everyone who lives a holy life experiences God and enjoys God. God is enjoyable and knowable. The person that said they lived a holy life did not. Living a holy life is not following a bunch of rules, it is enjoying God.
If you never enjoyed God, you were never saved, or at least never experienced holiness. Holiness is not self denial, holiness is experiencing the glory of God.
It is not like following religious rules, it is like being married. God is a good husband. The people that say they have lived a holy life have not, to live a holy life is to be married to God. If you are married to God, you know it. If you claim to have done religious things, you were never married to God.
If you lived a holy life, you would know it. Holiness is being married to God. It isn't religion, it is rules, etc. Holiness is when God comes and lives inside of you and opens your eyes to His glory. God is glorious.
Anyone who says that they have known God but been unimpressed with God has not known God.
Most Christians that go to church now and again are not really living a holy life. Holiness takes a lot of work. The person who lives a holy life would die for God. They would want to, God changes your heart. It makes everything else feel less important. You die inside. It is a big deal. You would know if you felt it. I don't think it is easy for people to leave.
It is very easy to leave psuedo-Christianity, or religious Christianity. Many people in life give up seeking God, that is too bad, it is there loss and weakness. God is findable, and does not make people wait in the dark their whole life to know if God is there. But to know God, requires holiness. Most people don't want to be holy, so they go to hell. It is too bad, but God wants people to come to heaven to be His husband.
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RE: Science and religion
March 24, 2013 at 12:03 am
(March 23, 2013 at 11:59 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God is a good husband.
Chris Brown thought he was a good man, prospective husband. The sad fact is, the Christian God is anything but good.
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RE: Science and religion
March 24, 2013 at 12:05 am
Mr Infidel, if you don't make arguments when you post, there is nothing I can respond to. You are just making naked assertion after naked assertion.
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RE: Science and religion
March 24, 2013 at 12:06 am
(March 24, 2013 at 12:05 am)jstrodel Wrote: Mr Infidel, if you don't make arguments when you post, there is nothing I can respond to. You are just making naked assertion after naked assertion.
You obviously disagree with the fact that your god is evil. Of course. Any brainwashed believer would. How you can believe that your god is good, remains the mystery that stumps the truly intellectual.
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RE: Science and religion
March 24, 2013 at 12:14 am
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You aren't arguing that God is evil though, you are just stating it. That is what you do in every one of your posts. I am guessing you are under 20 and you have read 3 or 4 books on atheism in your life, do you know what modus tollens is? I am not trying to insult you. I wish that you could see what you look like from my perspective, I have studied atheism and Christianity and many different religions and philosophical systems throughout my life. I can assure you that atheists can be as brainwashed and ignorant as any other belief system. They can be just as dogmatic.
The word atheist does not mean "free thinker". Atheists have historically called themselves "free thinkers". They have also called themselves "intellectuals". The words obviously signify the life of the mind, which is important. However, atheists do not have any special claim to be critical thinkers, in the words of some of the atheists here, "atheism is not belief, atheism is non-belief".
Because you call yourself a "free thinker", does not actually mean that your beliefs are free or because you call yourself an "intellectual" does not mean that your beliefs originate primarily in your own intellect.
The way that you reason, it looks like you do not have the capability to do any logical argumentation at all. I feel sorry for you, because you do not realize that you are exact what you criticize Christians to be: an ignorant, brainwashed person who is over zealous over beliefs that come almost exclusively from the minds of others.
You can see evidence for this mentality in the post where you failed to catch the reference to Zeno of Elea and you failed to follow the argument that I made. I am not saying any of this because I am trying to insult you, I think you should take stock of the fact that your view of theology comes mostly from other sources than yourself and that you do not have the ability to understand the beliefs or evaluate them.
You are an atheist, but I can assure you that you are not a "free thinker" or an "intellectual". You can ascribe those labels to yourself, but that is not what you are doing when you post.
Like I said before, I love you and care deeply for your well being and spiritual condition. Read a few books from a Christian perspective. Try and understand what Christianity is. That is how you can become an intellectual or a free thinker. Calling yourself one does not make you one.
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