The concept of Hell discourages belief

[The Reality Salesman01]

Best Rate Fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

Let's just throw logic out the window! I don't even see the point in pointing out fallacies anymore!

Logic cannot point to a God yet that fact alone cannot dispute it. That's all you need to say.

Just accept that logic doesn't support your God, but it still doesn't mean that a God logic DOESN'T support can't exist.

You sound stupid trying to use logic to establish in illogical postulation!

You're using the wrong tools to do the job. You already pick and choose traits and abilities as you go. You flip flop statements that contradict each other. You have zero evidence whatsoever. I don't know why everyonce in a while you think it necessary to even pretend that you care about logic at all. Everything you say is illogical! Lol, just wing it man!

You believe in God, and that's cool. There's no reason to pretend that it has to make sense for you to believe it.

My neighbor has like 20 cats. To me, that's crazy. But, hey she likes fuckin cats! Anything I say that shows why its a bad idea doesn't really matter. She's gonna die with them fuckin cats.

You're bat-shit crazy, and so what? Who cares! Right? It makes sense to you and a number of other people, but look...There's thousands of religions out there, some of them sound crazy to even you! We just believe in one less religion than you do, for a lot of the same reasons you don't believe in all the others.

If we can't convince you that any of the others are true using the same arguments, what makes you think that you could convince us with zero evidence, and ZERO logic, that while thousands of others just like yours are wrong, yours is TRUE? Do you understand?

There is no reasoning with insanity. You can apply that towards us if you like. Hell, I guess we're all guilty of it. If what Einstein said was true "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

[Drich]

Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

Eitherway, know he who claim to be God or even all of his Apstoles died terriable deaths, save one. (He died on an Island Prision) So.. it seems you like your sailor buddy are painting yourselves into a corner with only one way out.

What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

Who are you to test the divine Ryantology, Drich? He doesn't have to prove himself to you, his truth is written onto the hearts of every man. All you need to do is A/S/K, and you shall know His true nature.

when was this established? Your making Him seem like a half ass deity. In that you have him paralelling the God of the bible, but he has yet to make any provision for his followers. Poor planning does not seem like a Godly attribute. It's more joseph smithy if anything.

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What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

Good point. This is all suspect until someone writes a letter to his local congregation explaining how Ryantology died and was reborn in the flesh (even if he did look like someone else until he convinced people by telling them "it's me-- Ryantology!!!). Once we have the Gospel of Wilbur, then we can start taking it seriously.

Fail, again. The gospels were written in the life times of many of those who were there to contest the eye witness accounts. Which is why I offered my services in the first place. This way we can make eye witness of all of the youtube viewers. Without an established provanunce the gospel of wilbur will fail. as have many many many other claims that support the deity of other 'gods.'

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What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

You justifying your God-
If logic doesn't support your God, then it just shows that the type of God logic would support doesn't exist, it doesn't mean that a God which logic does NOT support is false, right?

You explaining why the God we propose must be false-
If you were God, you would die and then resurect yourself, since you have not, then you clearly are not God.

Us explaining to you-
What you fail to comprehend is that a physical body dying and not resurecting itself doesn't prove anything as to the validity of anyones claim to be God. It only allows you to personally to decide if the outcome of such an event, should it occur or not, fits YOUR expectation of what a God-possessed human body SHOULD do if it was killed. It doesn't show that such a requirement is necessary to prove that a God possessed body would NOT produce different results than you expect and yet still actually be a real God-possessed body by the God we claim is real.

Neither of us have evidence, its just bullshit claims that cannot be proved one way or the other.

Its amazing to me that you cannot grasp the concept of an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

The pen is BLUE!!!

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As you have not yet asended into Heaven I would say you would need to do this anytime someone asked. Why else would you be here? After all that is what the reason Christ spent 3 years teaching and establish His deity. He did it through miricals, and ending with His death and resurection, but as you seem to be a one trick pony, then you need to perform your trick to each and every person that asks... For isn't that what you ask of God?

You're an idiot. Which yes, is an Ad Hominem.

Here's another fallacy for ya...
But if you're not going to abide by the rules of logic, why should I?

who says i don't? (with proof)

[Esquilax]

when was this established? Your making Him seem like a half ass deity. In that you have him paralelling the God of the bible, but he has yet to make any provision for his followers. Poor planning does not seem like a Godly attribute. It's more joseph smithy if anything.

Dude, I was pretty much quoting verbatim arguments I've heard from you and a few other theists here on this board. That was the point. You're... you're just demonstrating my point.

In the end, I think I agree with Texas Sailor above.

[Tonus]

Fail, again. The gospels were written in the life times of many of those who were there to contest the eye witness accounts. Which is why I offered my services in the first place. This way we can make eye witness of all of the youtube viewers. Without an established provanunce the gospel of wilbur will fail. as have many many many other claims that support the deity of other 'gods.'

Wilbur still has a couple of decades in which to write that letter and it will be within the lifetime of others to corroborate or contest. Maybe Josh and Zed will write similar letters (fudging a few details along the way) and no one will contest their claims. Would that work? Is there an over/under on the number of uncontested claims from people who saw or heard about how Ryantology died and was reborn?

[Mister Agenda]

It seems awfully peculiar that a Christian would hold up death and resurrection as a test for godhood...when the antichrist is supposed to die and resurrect as one of his miracles to inspire people to believe in him.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Logic cannot point to a God yet that fact alone cannot dispute it. That's all you need to say. Just accept that logic doesn't support your God, but it still doesn't mean that a God logic DOESN'T support can't exist...zero evidence, and ZERO logic

Only partially correct. Neither logic alone or experience by itself point to the existence of a being with attributes we identify with God. The two go hand-in-hand. I will keep you on my list. Once I finish my April lecture, I will present you with the results mid-April. Then you can judge for yourself.

[thesummerqueen]

The FSM answers my prayers on Google+ and I don't even tag him - Jesus can't even admit to that. Why isn't Jesus on the tech bandwagon yet?

[Esquilax]

It seems awfully peculiar that a Christian would hold up death and resurrection as a test for godhood...when the antichrist is supposed to die and resurrect as one of his miracles to inspire people to believe in him.

Not to mention good old Lazarus.

[Ryantology]

As you have not yet asended into Heaven I would say you would need to do this anytime someone asked. Why else would you be here? After all that is what the reason Christ spent 3 years teaching and establish His deity.

I am the way and the light. You presume that I have to play by the rules of the laughable fraud you worship. Who cares why he did what he did, or how he did it? He was a false prophet.

He did it through miricals, and ending with His death and resurection, but as you seem to be a one trick pony, then you need to perform your trick to each and every person that asks... For isn't that what you ask of God?

I created the universe. I am more powerful than you are. I do not have to explain myself to you.

when was this established? Your making Him seem like a half ass deity. In that you have him paralelling the God of the bible, but he has yet to make any provision for his followers. Poor planning does not seem like a Godly attribute. It's more joseph smithy if anything.

I made everything around you and have breathed life, individually, into every creature. I provide haven for all good souls after the end of natural life. And, I am here to communicate with my children, to hear and address their concerns. I care about their well-being. They can demonstrate that their creator speaks with them. Can you?

[Esquilax]

And, I am here to communicate with my children, to hear and address their concerns. I care about their well-being. They can demonstrate that their creator speaks with them. Can you?

The other important thing to keep in mind is that, even if we're charitable and just assume that Drich can consort with his god, the actual quality of the communication is vastly superior with our divine Ryantology over here. He doesn't demand simpering prostration in order to talk, nor constant worship in order to keep the lines of communication open. And when was the last time someone remarked about the interesting conversation they had with their god about anything other than religion? Frankly, god seems a little obsessed with his church, but I can just say hi to Ryantology and get a verifiable reply that doesn't lapse into incessant prayer.

Hi dude!