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The Rules
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe 
I'd just like to add that whoever came up with these rules must be some sort of towering genius..
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
You are Darwinian, you are!
 (September 6, 2009 at 2:03 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Fuck, we need Kyu in the debate forum and then maybe Arcanus to make it 'fair' lol. Because now I can't argue with fr0d0 on the matter of evidence and faith here, Kyu has taken over again Hopefully, i have my own debate with Arcanus coming up. 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Many... but will they ever get answered is another matter
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
 RE: The Rules
September 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2009 at 4:26 pm by Kyuuketsuki.)
(September 6, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 12:27 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: On the contrary it is YOU and your ilk who cannot evidentially support your claims. That has been my position from the very start and all you are doing is trying to disingenuously turn the tables on the basis of absolutely no evidence or reason! It is YOUR hypothesis, it is therefore YOUR responsibility to produce both evidence to support and to define what would falsify it ... it is not now and never has been mine! Kyu (September 6, 2009 at 2:03 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Fuck, we need Kyu in the debate forum and then maybe Arcanus to make it 'fair' lol. Because now I can't argue with fr0d0 on the matter of evidence and faith here, Kyu has taken over again I have no intention now or ever of debating Frodo formally again ... the problem is one of different philosophies. I believe that the universe is coherent, rational, guided by a consistent and inherently explainable set of rules, Frodo (by virtue of his belief in a god that is unexplainable and requires no evidential support) believes that I am somehow insane despite the fact that his "hypothesis" explains nothing, predicts nothing, is inherently non-falsifiable, offers no real value outside of a psychological comfort blanket and cannot be rationally distinguished from a nothing requiring the exact same amount of evidential support. As such we just talk past each other ... it's pointless I know but I keep trying in the hope that someone, somewhere will understand the point I am making. Kyu Angry Atheism
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (September 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: It is YOUR hypothesis, it is therefore YOUR responsibility to produce both evidence to support and to define what would falsify it ... it is not now and never has been mine!It precisely ISN'T my philosophy. I've said many times that evidence is not possible. It is you that has said you will believe given evidence. Yet here you are unable to produce one example of what would constitute evidence. I call FAIL (September 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:Wrong. I too believe that universe is coherent, rational, guided by a consistent and inherently explainable set of rules. My hypothesis explains everything it needs to explain. Possibly even science, but then ever doesn't compete with scientific research. Inherently it requires no evidential support, thought this isn't anything internally problematic. It offers value in that it's a roadmap to a fulfilled life for those who prefer a guide rather than relying on chance and a lot of pain. And finally, it can very easily be distinguished from everything else. (September 6, 2009 at 5:03 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: It is YOUR hypothesis, it is therefore YOUR responsibility to produce both evidence to support and to define what would falsify it ... it is not now and never has been mine!It precisely ISN'T my philosophy. I've said many times that evidence is not possible. It is you that has said you will believe given evidence. You can call fail all you like but the simple fact is that your non-evidence requiring god requires exactly the same amount of evidence as nothign and offers precisely the same value in any objective terms so FAIL YOURSELF! (September 6, 2009 at 5:03 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Wrong. I too believe that universe is coherent, rational, guided by a consistent and inherently explainable set of rules. Yet you don't because the god you believe in is inherently inexplicable and therefore shows you're just as disingenuous as always. Kyu Angry Atheism
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