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Born this way, baby
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm (This post was last modified: March 26, 2013 at 1:21 pm by Silver.)
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http://tim-taylor.com/papers/twin-studie...uality.pdf
(March 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm)catfish Wrote: What exactly are you debating and what exactly is your position?

If you have to ask that question in this thread, you are not very bright.
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote: [Image: hampg_zpsfd3b028b.jpg]

http://tim-taylor.com/papers/twin-studie...uality.pdf
(March 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm)catfish Wrote: What exactly are you debating and what exactly is your position?

If you have to ask that question in this thread, you are not very bright.

So, you equate studies which suggest things as being conclusive?
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm)catfish Wrote: So, you equate studies which suggest things as being conclusive?

Alex,
I'll take aquatic species beginning with 'c' that have no fucking clue how science works for $1000.
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote: If you have to ask that question in this thread, you are not very bright.

I believe he's a troll who pretends to be stupid. But I might be wrong about his acting talent.
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm
So, does either one of you guys have conclusive proof that there are no environmental influences on homosexuality and that it is solely genetics and developement while inside the womb? (keeping in line with his assertion "born this way") (next up, "made this way")
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm)catfish Wrote: So, does either one of you guys have conclusive proof that there are no environmental influences on homosexuality and that it is solely genetics and developement while inside the womb? (keeping in line with his assertion "born this way") (next up, "made this way")

I think that, as with most things, it will prove to be more complex than one thing or the other.



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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm)catfish Wrote: So, does either one of you guys have conclusive proof that there are no environmental influences on homosexuality and that it is solely genetics and developement while inside the womb? (keeping in line with his assertion "born this way") (next up, "made this way")

I think that, as with most things, it will prove to be more complex than one thing or the other.

I agree, but I also disregard genetics as being the sole reason just for the fact that there are twin studies...
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm)catfish Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote: [Image: hampg_zpsfd3b028b.jpg]

http://tim-taylor.com/papers/twin-studie...uality.pdf

If you have to ask that question in this thread, you are not very bright.

So, you equate studies which suggest things as being conclusive?

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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm
What a long, strange (and probably pointless) exchange this has been.

I went back a few pages but .. blah, boring!

As for normal vs natural, I'm not sure there is any disagreement that I could find. I gather that Cat agrees that homosexuality is natural (giraffes do it, bonobos do it, we do it, etc.) and that we all agree that it isn't any more normal than left-handedness (though it may go unreported more often than left-handedness). That just leaves "Is it an abomination?"

Did it start with Cat saying homosexuality is an abomination? If so, give him that. If his special sky daddy has a list of no-no's and acting/being gay is on it, then by definition it is an abomination. The correct response would be "so what?"

Is there any real disagreement here that I'm missing or are you all just having a good vetch session? If so, back to it!
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RE: Born this way, baby
March 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm
(March 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm)cato123 Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm)catfish Wrote: So, you equate studies which suggest things as being conclusive?

Alex,
I'll take aquatic species beginning with 'c' that have no fucking clue how science works for $1000.

LOL, I suppose this section from the study tells you otherwise?

Quote:This concludes the résumé of twin studies of homosexuality conducted to date. Clearly, many of these studies have (sometimes severe) methodological shortcomings. As Parker (1964) notes, "as long as there is an associated stigma attached to any deviation from normal sexual behaviour, difficulty will be experienced in obtaining co-operative twin pairs, and this has been repeatedly emphasized in the literature." Even if we just consider the less selective reports, there is still considerable debate as to how much the results of any twin study can tell us of the relative strengths of genetic and environmental factors. These problems are discussed in the next section.

http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_st...udies.html

So, let me know when you learn "how science works"... Undecided
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