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What happens to religion if we conquer death?
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RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
(March 29, 2013 at 9:52 am)enrico Wrote: If you want to stop death you also will have to stop the time and all other phenomena which are part and parcel of this universe.
They all go hand in hand.
In other words is IMPOSSIBLE.
What's wrong with going with the natural flow of nature?
Would you be happy with driving the same car even when the car start falling apart?
My body can well go to the dogs.
It does not really worry me because i know i will get a brain new body.Angel

You don't know any such thing. However, if you want to live your life as if that's what will happen to you, I don't have a problem with it, it's your life. I see nothing wrong with extending my life as long as I see fit. I don't see that as going against nature, because I do not hold the conceit that humans are apart from nature. How can a natural being do something unnatural?
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#12
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
Through the clever use of grammar Ryan, that's how.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#13
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
(March 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(March 29, 2013 at 9:52 am)enrico Wrote: If you want to stop death you also will have to stop the time and all other phenomena which are part and parcel of this universe.
They all go hand in hand.
In other words is IMPOSSIBLE.
What's wrong with going with the natural flow of nature?
Would you be happy with driving the same car even when the car start falling apart?
My body can well go to the dogs.
It does not really worry me because i know i will get a brain new body.Angel

You don't know any such thing. However, if you want to live your life as if that's what will happen to you, I don't have a problem with it, it's your life. I see nothing wrong with extending my life as long as I see fit. I don't see that as going against nature, because I do not hold the conceit that humans are apart from nature. How can a natural being do something unnatural?


Have you ever see the hollywood celebrities that after a few years that they reconstruct their faces and body the skin and the flesh start falling apart so they will have to go back to the surgeon and do a new operation.
They look terrible.
It remind me also the hippies that used to patch up their old jeans instead to buy a new pair.
Now if you think that this sort of things are natural then why 99% of people get rid of their own car, furniture and all other things that fall apart?
I do understand that many people regard their body as something that is part and parcel of themselves and that make sense as far as the body keep healthy.
After that when their body start falling apart most people wish to get rid of such a body.
You can do a bit to extend your life but not much.
The time and all other natural phenomena will play against you.
It is like trying to go against a rip current.
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#14
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
(March 30, 2013 at 3:25 am)enrico Wrote:
(March 29, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You don't know any such thing. However, if you want to live your life as if that's what will happen to you, I don't have a problem with it, it's your life. I see nothing wrong with extending my life as long as I see fit. I don't see that as going against nature, because I do not hold the conceit that humans are apart from nature. How can a natural being do something unnatural?


Have you ever see the hollywood celebrities that after a few years that they reconstruct their faces and body the skin and the flesh start falling apart so they will have to go back to the surgeon and do a new operation.
They look terrible.
It remind me also the hippies that used to patch up their old jeans instead to buy a new pair.
Now if you think that this sort of things are natural then why 99% of people get rid of their own car, furniture and all other things that fall apart?
I do understand that many people regard their body as something that is part and parcel of themselves and that make sense as far as the body keep healthy.
After that when their body start falling apart most people wish to get rid of such a body.
You can do a bit to extend your life but not much.
The time and all other natural phenomena will play against you.
It is like trying to go against a rip current.

I don't know what all this has to do with the topic.

It should (but apparently does not) go without saying that any effective longevity treatment would powerfully protect against, or eliminate entirely, the effects of aging and breakdown and damage. It may even be a matter of physical bodies not being necessary at all times, or replaceable if they are too damaged.
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#15
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
Religion becomes useless. There is no threat of eternal torture from this "God".
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#16
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
(April 3, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(March 30, 2013 at 3:25 am)enrico Wrote: Have you ever see the hollywood celebrities that after a few years that they reconstruct their faces and body the skin and the flesh start falling apart so they will have to go back to the surgeon and do a new operation.
They look terrible.
It remind me also the hippies that used to patch up their old jeans instead to buy a new pair.
Now if you think that this sort of things are natural then why 99% of people get rid of their own car, furniture and all other things that fall apart?
I do understand that many people regard their body as something that is part and parcel of themselves and that make sense as far as the body keep healthy.
After that when their body start falling apart most people wish to get rid of such a body.
You can do a bit to extend your life but not much.
The time and all other natural phenomena will play against you.
It is like trying to go against a rip current.

I don't know what all this has to do with the topic.

It has got to do because before to worry about religions one should worry if we can or not conquer death.
If we can you can bet that religions will invent one more dogma or false truth to keep the old wreck going so they will still be here with us.
If on the other hand we can't then there is no point in guessing.


Quote:It should (but apparently does not) go without saying that any effective longevity treatment would powerfully protect against, or eliminate entirely, the effects of aging and breakdown and damage. It may even be a matter of physical bodies not being necessary at all times, or replaceable if they are too damaged.


It is a question of keeping a proper parallelism among all the factors that create a human being.
If you try to put a small engine into a truck or a big engine into a small car it will not work.
At the same time if you try to put a mind into a body that is not in proper tune with each other then it will be a disaster.
As the body is made to last a certain period of time also the mind has got the same requirement so it want be an easy job.
But all this (according to me) will never happen because everyone of us will have to deal with the individual karma.
If a person will have to be reborn in an animal body because in this life did terrible things then there is no way that he-she will be able to extend his-her life.
On the other hand if one did very good things then he-she may be reborn into a different and more sophisticated dimension.






Angel
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#17
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
(April 4, 2013 at 2:36 am)Severan Wrote: Religion becomes useless. There is no threat of eternal torture from this "God".

You're right God does not torture, however He does promise eternal punishment.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#18
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
We wont conquer death so this is nothing but mere mental masturbation. Our species will eventually go extinct and the planet itself and the sun itself will all die eventually, and there will be no record of us at all.

Religion to some extent will always exist because humans for the most part default to delusions for comfort. At best we can contain it and minimize the harm it does, but all the future will produce is a current religion morphing into another or being scrapped to be replaced with new ones.

As long as evolution produces ignorance and credulity which it will, religion will always be something humanity has to deal with. You can only manage it, not destroy it.
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#19
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
Conquering aging might lead to some religions encouraging suicide, since they need to keep what happens after death a relevant concern somehow. With Abrahamic ones, this might be at 120 years of age, since I think that was mentioned in Genesis or somewhere as a limit God put on age, though of course the fact that other people would live beyond that age could be another argument against that god. There would still be deaths from natural causes, however -- to my knowledge, real Captain Jack Harknesses are a long way off or impossible -- so they would cling to that to give the threat of Hell and promise of Heaven.

Some religions could continue even if nobody could die, but I think that these are fewer and they would likely wither with time. Immortal followers means they can spend infinitely long (well, until the end of the universe, yadda yadda yadda) learning about the world and explanations for events, and since beliefs often change with time it is possible/likely that everyone would be an atheist at some point.
Ponders too much; thinks too little.
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#20
RE: What happens to religion if we conquer death?
(April 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm)Mononoke Wrote: Conquering aging might lead to some religions encouraging suicide, since they need to keep what happens after death a relevant concern somehow. With Abrahamic ones, this might be at 120 years of age, since I think that was mentioned in Genesis or somewhere as a limit God put on age, though of course the fact that other people would live beyond that age could be another argument against that god. There would still be deaths from natural causes, however -- to my knowledge, real Captain Jack Harknesses are a long way off or impossible -- so they would cling to that to give the threat of Hell and promise of Heaven.

Some religions could continue even if nobody could die, but I think that these are fewer and they would likely wither with time. Immortal followers means they can spend infinitely long (well, until the end of the universe, yadda yadda yadda) learning about the world and explanations for events, and since beliefs often change with time it is possible/likely that everyone would be an atheist at some point.

I am sorry, but I cannot get into this type of mere speculation, it is the type of thing that gets humans in trouble. Saying that we can extend life is true and to a great degree we will improve that. But there is no such thing as "forever", not even for atoms or planets or suns. This is nothing more than your own ego refusing to face a finite existence.

Deal with life the way it is, not the way you want it to be, and base any "speculation" on testing and peer review, not personal wishes. This is nothing more than "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts".
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