Golden Ratio In Nature, Quran And Position Of The Kaba

[ciko83]

If, from this video, you are trying to say that because so many natural things have this 'Golden ratio' that they must have been designed... Then, I see it differently.
If everything came from one point - the big bang, and then from that: planets, life, etc etc - then I can see it would make sense that everything would have this ratio. The ratio that was there in the beginning, created by our observed laws of physics and mathematics.
The Golden ratio doesn't actually prove anything. It's just a number.

If everything came from one point - the big bang,

yes it comes from Big bang , that is confirmed by God in quran. and it is not big bang who created this golden ratio. It is God who started big bang expansion and created golden ratio as signature for his creation.

If you really beleive that big bang can think and put exact patterns in nature and quran and humans and position of the kaba, then that is you problem

[Joel]

I didn't say that. Don't misrepresent what I said.

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@Joel you should report that

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no! sorry! my mistake, I thought you meant that he quoted you and changed your quote to present something which you didnt even write.

[CapnAwesome]

If God is trying to prove himself by some sort of subtle golden triangle reference that we wouldn't even see for 1600 years, and looks a mighty lot like nonsense, why doesn't he prove himself is a more obvious way? Like appearing. Or putting some useful technology in the qu'ran, like the steam engine.

[Joel]

@Joel you should report that

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no! sorry! my mistake, I thought you meant that he quoted you and changed your quote to present something which you didnt even write.

Haha, I was scouring the rules section to see if there was something I had missed!

[ciko83]

If God is trying to prove himself by some sort of subtle golden triangle reference that we wouldn't even see for 1600 years, and looks a mighty lot like nonsense, why doesn't he prove himself is a more obvious way? Like appearing. Or putting some useful technology in the qu'ran, like the steam engine.

why doesn't he prove himself is a more obvious way? Like appearing.

i have explained before why he does not appear so people can see him.


WHY GOD DOES NOT SHOW HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND?

What whoud happen if God showed himself to humankind?

1. Purpose of life would be destroyed.

God created us here to test us, how we shall behave, so this life is a test for us, and after our death we shall be judged and then rewared or punished,
depends on how we were here.So purpose of life is to be tested here, that is why we are here on earth.

How we know this

God says in quran:

67:1-2 Blessed be He(God) who has the Kingdom in His Hand! He has power over all things.
He who created death and life to test which of you is best in action. He is the Almighty, the Ever-Forgiving.

So if God showed himself to humankind the purpose of life should be destroyed, beacuse if all humankind see God and hear his voice, if he said, i will
throw you in hell if you dont worshipp me, and if you dont follow my book quran, i will throw you all in hell, how would it be then?

If this life is a test, is it easier to test a person who he/she really is in reality, is to hide a camera inside the room and see what is going on,
so it is the same, if God does not show himself and the people are not aware of God , when a person is alone he can do every sin he wants, but when he know that there is a hidden camera
somewhere in the room, he will not do sins and embarass himself. So if God does not show himself to us it is easier to test us, how we shall behave, and show
how we really are in reality.

2. Free WILL would be destroyed.

If God threatens humankind if we do some stuff, and he says, if you do that you will go to hell, would anyone dare to defy God, anyone???
So our free will would be destroyed beacuse we would not dare do what we want. and then it would be harder to test us beacuse we did not show our real
face how we are in reality.

3. Imppossible to live normally

If God would show himself to us, and threatens humankind if they do some things thay will go to hell, all humankind would be terrified, and would live in
fear al they life. Test would not be complited.

SO THE REASON WHY GOD IS NOT SHOWING HIMSELF TO HUMANKIND IS BEACUSE NOT TO DESTROY TEST, NOT TO DESTROY FREE WILL, AND SO PEOPLE WOULD LIVE NORMALLY
HERE ON EARTH.

What happened to Moses when he asked God to show himself to him?

God explains in quran what happened.

7:143 When Moses came for the appointment, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, ‘My Lord, show Yourself to me: let me see You!’ He said, ‘You will never see Me, but look at that mountain: if it remains standing firm, you will see Me,’ and when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain,He made it crumble to dust: Moses fell down unconscious. When he recovered, he said, ‘Glory be to You! To You I turn in repentance! I am the first to believe!’

When shall we see God for the first time?

On the day of judgement people shall see God for the first time.

Seeing God in Afterlife
In Islamic doctrine, God cannot be seen in this life, but the believers will see God in the next life; even then, God will not be grasped in totality. This is stated clearly in the Quran and the Sunnah. The Prophet said,

“The Day Of Resurrection is the first day any eye will look at God, the Mighty and Exalted.”[1]

Describing the events of Resurrection Day, God states in the Quran:

“On that day some faces will be bright, looking at their Lord.” (Quran 75:22-23)

The Prophet was asked if we will see God on the Day of resurrection. He replied, “Are you harmed by looking at the moon when it is full?”[2] ‘No,’ they replied. Then he said, “Surely, you will see Him likewise.” In another hadith the Prophet said, “Surely, each of you will see God on the day when you shall meet Him, and there will be no veil or translator between Him and you.”[3] Seeing God will be a favor that is additional to Paradise on the people who will dwell therein. As a matter of fact, the joy of seeing God for a believer will be greater than the all the joys of Paradise combined together. The unbelievers, on the other hand, will be deprived of seeing God, and this will be greater punishment for them than all the pain and suffering of Hell combined together

Or putting some useful technology in the qu'ran, like the steam engine.

the look upon this, laser teachnology in quran




word television in quran, in a book 1400 years old

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lol

@CaptnAwsome

I knew that he would seize the opertunity and jump onto your question like a vulture after he had noticed that his previous scam was shattered.
Will be nice to see where this vulture goes next after this stuff has been demolished.

[Joel]

I thought I had heard it all.
LASER technology in the Quran? I must watch this one.

[CapnAwesome]

2. Free WILL would be destroyed.

If God threatens humankind if we do some stuff, and he says, if you do that you will go to hell, would anyone dare to defy God, anyone???
So our free will would be destroyed beacuse we would not dare do what we want. and then it would be harder to test us beacuse we did not show our real
face how we are in reality.

3. Imppossible to live normally

If God would show himself to us, and threatens humankind if they do some things thay will go to hell, all humankind would be terrified, and would live in
fear al they life. Test would not be complited.

Here is the ironic thing about these statements is that since Muslims believe in a punishing God, that's how they live anyway. I mean if you believe in a God that will send you to hell, what difference does it make if he is standing there or not.

Also I'm not talking about some vague reference that reinterpret to be about television. Those passages could mean anything and you are seeing what you want in them. If there was a clear design for a steam engine in the Qu'ran I would be impressed.

[Tonus]

i dont see anything,

Yeah, we kinda picked up on that, Sparky.