For the logic impaired...

[Mystical]

So.. I'm watching a movie, thought I'd check out the old thread. I totally believe that the title of the current thread sums up completely, this post. Now. Back to it. Whose gonna pull out sheepie or sock puppet first in the new debate? Bets, ladies and gentlemen?

You're not a True Christian.

Unless you can honestly say "yes", you have two options, pick one:
1. The Bible IS the Word of God
2. The Bible IS NOT the Word of God.

There is no "sorta-kinda" option.
I don't treat the LORD'S WORD as some kind of buffet table where I can pick and choose the things I like.

Catfish says: You are avoiding my question....
"What's your point? Is there a directive somewhere that says I must believe everything?"

Actually, I answered yours and you avoided mine.
You don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.
If you insist on dismissing parts of scripture will claiming revelation in others, you commit the logical fallacy of special pleading.

I and the Father are one... :-)
What say you about who I am? I will be who I will be becoming..
You may not agree with or understand this, but here goes:
Sacrifice was never commanded by God, the Bible has recorded where He stated numerous times that He hated sacrifice and burnt offerings. Human sacrifice was NEVER condoned, you should know this. God could atone for sin any way He wanted and He has directly attoned for sin using another method according to the Bible.
You called me a phony Christain, you avoided my challenge.
Now prove I'm not a Christian.

Am I missing something? I answered your question, challenged you and you thrice babbled nonsense.

When you can prove that I'm a phony Christian, then will it be "answered".
Patiently awaiting your deflection and denial...

You don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.
Q.E.D.

I have never once called it the "word of god", pay attention to what I write...
YOU read the thing for yourself...

Simon Moon Wrote:
In your opinion or beliefs, does the Bible contain ANY truths?

Yes...
YOU read the thing for yourself...

So you just make up your own religion as you go along.

Still avoiding backing up your claim? Typical...

Still in denial, I see.

To help you out of denial:
1. You deny the Bible is the Word of God
2. You make up your own religion as you go along.

Dumb ass phony Christian!

1. What does that have to do with being a follower of Christ's teachings?
2. Every point I make is from the Bible, where is yours from?

Still haven't proven anything...

...because outside the Bible, we learn about Christ's teachings from...?
Which you say isn't the Word of God and parts of it are "that shit".
EDIT TO ADD: Dumb ass phony Christian!

Show me which parts of the Bible you would use to call me a phony Christian. I dare you...

3rd piece of evidence, your honor:

Quote:
2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Dumb ass phony Christian!

Am I missing something here? Is there some hidden meaning you're not telling me?

Just the meaning that's right there in black-and-white. Unlike you phony Christians who pick-and-choose and make up religions as you go along, both of which you've admitted to doing, I read what's there.
As I said before, what is there is either

1. The Word of God
2. Not the Word of God

Make up your mind.

Both.
It does not have to be one or the other. Prove to me that it does.

If the Bible was originally inspired by Yahweh but he didn't pay close attention to the details, the whole needs to be regarded as "not the Word of God" since we have no way of telling what parts are divine and what parts are human.

...and this brings us back to the whole, "how do you know what parts are divine? Are you God?" issue that you kept dodging earlier.

This is why there's no "sorta, kinda, you see, it's a little of both and yet neither one" option.

You gotta stop with this whole "Word of God" thing unless your "Word of God" calls itself that and you can prove it. Remember, it's INSPIRED...
You say it can't be both? Then I have a question for you: Do you hallucinate often?

Your question is silly and irrelevant if you can't concede that the Bible can be both inspired and not...
If you want me to address your question, then address mine... Prove to me that I'm a phony Christian, I'll be waiting for ions I bet.

Seriously? Does someone need a course in basic logic that something can't be "x" and "not x" at the same time

Do you deny that something can be a percentage of your desired X or not X?
If you wish to deny that reality, then I'll just assert now that you're a crazy moron who believes his visual hallucinations are 100% accurate.
(unless you admit to hallucinating)

And what's the percentage exactly? And you can tell the difference between the inspired parts and the human contamination how? Are you God? This is the question I keep asking and you keep ignoring.

What? Are there glowing letters in the parts where it is God's Word? Are there footnotes or some other indication? What distinct characteristics should the reader look for?

If you're answer is nothing better then "you just know", then you are relying upon your own imagination and desires. Just write your own book and make up your own religion and be done with the pretense that you are a Christian.

And those who think for themselves have no need of religion. That's why I'm proud to be a thoughtless Christian.

Dumb ass phony Christian.

prove it

Already done, namby pamby liberal Christian.

Then theres a whole lot of answer my question, --prove I'm not a christian--, I already did, --no you didn't--, Yes I did, --inappropriate hand signal--, That's the hand signal you do when you're reading the bible, --prove it--, no one wants him to, then there's more of the same, --prove I'm not a christian--, I already did, for a couple pages..Followed by:

As long as our exchange has degenerated into ad hominems and bare assertions...

I'm rubber, you're glue. Everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. Neener neener!

And you smell funny too.

And your mother wears combat boots (whatever the hell that meant when we were kids).

And that is how you debate a fundie...

[catfish]

Absolutely awesome paraphrasing!
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[Mystical]

Well I for one don't want to see a repeat of that in this thread, but I do want to know: Catfish, if your beliefs on the bible are subjective, how do you come to your conclusion (please state your stance clearly) on this abortion matter and how are liberals supposed to negotiate a resolution with Christians?
And for the record, no one can prove you aren't a Christian. That's preposterous. It isn't preposterous, however, to ask you how you gauge your subjectivity.
I also have a question for everyone, is there a consensus whatsoever on at what point a pregnancy should not be aborted, or are you pro choice to the point of aborting a pregnancy at any stage?

[fr0d0]

He is a non trinitarian Christian. He also likes to muddy the waters.

Proof - well yes I agree that's preposterous too

[catfish]

Well I for one don't want to see a repeat of that in this thread, but I do want to know: Catfish, if your beliefs on the bible are subjective, how do you come to your conclusion (please state your stance clearly) on this abortion matter and how are liberals supposed to negotiate a resolution with Christians?

Straight logic misslucky. There are no religious influences in any of my opinions except for opinions about the Bible. Life is life and I only kill to eat, there is no "it's not a human, it's not old enough, it's a fish, it's not legally a person (yet)" for me. The golden rule applies here...

You asked how to negotiate a resolution? Give away (require) free sterilizations with every abortion and I bet more Christians will be receptive to the concept of indiscriminately killing humans.
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He is a non trinitarian Christian. He also likes to muddy the waters.

Proof - well yes I agree that's preposterous too

No, I'm a non paganism Christian. Get it right please...

[Mystical]

Catfish, where is the golden rule written? Or where do you get your golden rule?
I definitely think that would make people think--till the next time they're having sex But it's extreme to one side. Too extreme for negotiations

I got that frOdo, earlier in the other thread. Catfish doesn't believe there's an intercessor between man and god? That god and him are one without the holy spirit?
Am I right?

[catfish]

I got that frOdo, earlier in the other thread. Catfish doesn't believe there's an intercessor between man and god? That god and him are one without the holy spirit?
Am I right?

Do I gotta put a True Parody™ mark on every snarky remark I make?
He asked if I was God so I responded as Yeshua did when he was asked a similar question...

[Brayton.l]

Wow, I read the fist few posts in this thread. Was gonna post a response. Then I came to the newest posts.

I think I will start a new thread. This one has become something else.

lol

Interesting none the less.

[fr0d0]

He is a non trinitarian Christian. He also likes to muddy the waters.

Proof - well yes I agree that's preposterous too

No, I'm a non paganism Christian. Get it right please...

Same thing though yeah? (Or same result)

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I got that frOdo, earlier in the other thread. Catfish doesn't believe there's an intercessor between man and god? That god and him are one without the holy spirit?
Am I right?

I wouldn't make a judgement about cats position on the holy spirit. I think he and I are on the same page on that one. I can only discern that cat rules out salvation from Jesus's sacrifice.

[Mystical]

Whoa, catfish don't get your whiskers in a twist. Just tryin to understand you and why you disagree with Drich and frOdO so regularly.