Sign in Quran

[paulpablo]

Also the problem with seeing god in public is that I've seen a documentary of a tribesman worshiping a box of Kellogs corn flakes, we know humans worship things based on a lack of understanding so then logically why would I believe something is god based solely on the fact I don't understand how it works?

If an alien appeared to me and said worship me and it had supernatural powers I didn't understand I would worship it, but a part of my mind would always be thinking of that tribesman worshiping the corn flakes box.

And if there is a god I'm sure he will forgive me for not believing knowing that I live in a world of mormons, a religion of peace that beats women and blows up tower blocks, cults that kill themselves and all those other charles manson types out there.

[Cinjin]

what kind of sign or proof would you like/expect to see in holy book like Quran to make you believe in God..

The question is not valid because of your use of the words "sign or proof."

A sign is not proof of anything and is often subject to much interpretation. Additionally, books are used to record proof, they are not actual evidence of their own subject matter.
Your question fails in that it assumes that a book can offer proof of it's own claims.

And for the record: For me, there is nothing that I would even consider that came from the pen of a long dead primitive Arab tent maker that practiced slavery, brutality, and the stoning of one's own wife.

[JesusHChrist]

I wouldn't expect a "god" to deliver messages via a book in the first place. Why a book? Why not direct telepathy into our brains?

Why not written in the sky each night, in a language everyone can understand? Why all the need for hiding and subterfuge? Doesn't make a whit of sense.

There is nothing supernatural about the Quran. All I see is men writing down stories and then coercing others "it's true". No gods are required to be involved or ever appear.

[Tonus]

If your holy book would allow me to summon Lela Rochon to my side on command, I'd believe in a great many things.

[remy]

hmm come on guys, your preferred god will just be against rational thought and law of physic. We all already know there's no such thing as magical or mystical creature... even I don't have any problem to accept that god is delusion, but only if he is being defined to certain condition.

If your holy book would allow me to summon Lela Rochon to my side on command, I'd believe in a great many things.

then that book gotta be more dangerous than any holy book out there! (>o<)

I wouldn't expect a "god" to deliver messages via a book in the first place. Why a book? Why not direct telepathy into our brains?

Why not written in the sky each night, in a language everyone can understand? Why all the need for hiding and subterfuge? Doesn't make a whit of sense.

There is nothing supernatural about the Quran. All I see is men writing down stories and then coercing others "it's true". No gods are required to be involved or ever appear.

direct telepathy? hmm, it would be the same with how a belief work.. people will ask, how do you know that the one who spoke to your brain is god...

And for the record: For me, there is nothing that I would even consider that came from the pen of a long dead primitive Arab tent maker that practiced slavery, brutality, and the stoning of one's own wife.

Actually, slavery and brutality has already been practiced even before Islam came. It even existed in other culture, in fact they're our ancestor doing! and they're actually 'us'!. This age, and century, we humanity has reach the point of civilization that we don't need that age no more. Even woman have no problem with being naked in public, because civilization is protecting them. But let says, someone started nuclear war. And we gone a step back into that kind of age.

Okay, let me tailor the question a bit for an easier answer. Let say there's an holy book written in this century that would suit to other few century. What kind of sign of God would you wish to be written. Like "a massive earthquake is going to happen 10 years later", or sign that tells how much stars are there, around our galaxy, then the scientists of a few next century probably has developed some kind tech to map every star around our galaxy.

Or any answer like that..

[Minimalist]

Also the problem with seeing god in public is that I've seen a documentary of a tribesman worshiping a box of Kellogs corn flakes, we know humans worship things based on a lack of understanding so then logically why would I believe something is god based solely on the fact I don't understand how it works?

I think I am sophisticated to the extent that I would not be fooled by a box of corn flakes...or some shithead dressed like this,




or this....

[Zen Badger]

How about containing some scientific principle that we haven't discovered yet.
And the reading of your hypothetical book causes scientists to go and develop that principle.

I notice that all the scientific "discoveries" in the Quran came well after the scientists had done all the real work.

And that the passages that apparently encode some scientific principle are so vague that they could be construed to mean anything.

[Minimalist]

You're more likely to find a frog that shits gold nuggets, Z/B.

[remy]

How about containing some scientific principle that we haven't discovered yet.
And the reading of your hypothetical book causes scientists to go and develop that principle.

I notice that all the scientific "discoveries" in the Quran came well after the scientists had done all the real work.

And that the passages that apparently encode some scientific principle are so vague that they could be construed to mean anything.

Okay let say that we lived in 14th century, where most of scientific discoveries is yet to be discovered. What kind of principle do you wish to be in the holy book.

p / s : I believed, that a sign couldn't be too scientific or else, only highly intelligent quotient people able to understand it... And Quran's vagueness, I believe has been questioned over the ages, thus the book itself made a clear statement about it. [Refer Quran 3:7]

He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

[paulpablo]

So does this mean only men of understanding will grasp the hidden concepts within the quran?