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The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 10:34 am
Whenever the political talks turn to guns, we always get a similar line from the NRA talking about how dangerous knives or cars are. So, how about we demonstrate the difference, right here?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...Y420130409
In the Sandy Hook shooting, a gun went on a rampage with guns and killed 27 people. In the story above, a guy went on a rampage with a knife and injured 14 people. Not only were fewer people injured, but the people were INJURED, not KILLED. This does make me wonder, suppose Adam Lanza had gone on his rampage with knives instead of guns; what would the end result be? Would anybody really even know about the town of Sandy Hook? Would it have made the news other than a minor/local blip?
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 10:54 am
I like that they tasered the shit out of him (rather than shot him).
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 1:04 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm by My imaginary friend is GOD.)
He wouldn't have been able to kill as many if he had a knife instead of a gun. So probably it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 1:27 pm
(April 10, 2013 at 10:54 am)Rhythm Wrote: I like that they tasered the shit out of him (rather than shot him).
Such leniency is rare in Texas.
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 3:18 pm
(April 10, 2013 at 1:04 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: He wouldn't have been able to kill as many if he had a knife instead of a gun. So probably it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
You know... this is nonsense. Mass shooters are of a different psychology than a mass knifer.
I'm far more afraid of the cutthroat in the dark who gets off on quickly and pointlessly killing someone without a sound... the other is faster, and you can usually see it coming in the case of a mass-shooting.
People who try to 'go on a rampage' aren't creative motherfuckers who genuinely desire to, well... The Joker. Or me, if I went evil. Best to avoid that.
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm
I wonder what would have happened if the staff at that school had been armed instead of defenseless...
Maybe the same thing would have gone down, or maybe return fire would have injured or scared / held off the gunman until the police arrived.
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Or perhaps they would have achieved an even better score than the NYC police in shooting innocent bystanders?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregi...3Dall&_r=0
Quote: The encounter was breathtakingly brief: a surveillance video showed a gunman outside the Empire State Building on Friday pulling a pistol, pointing it at two police officers, their firing at him and his falling to the sidewalk.
All the yelling and cries of pain occurred out of camera view, just north of where the gunman, Jeffrey T. Johnson, collapsed and died: nine bystanders were struck, cradling bloody arms or lying on the sidewalks and curbs.
The police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, confirmed on Saturday that all nine were wounded by police bullets, bullet fragments or shrapnel from ricochets. Mr. Kelly also confirmed that the shooter, Mr. Johnson, never fired another shot after killing a former co-worker, Steven Ercolino, moments earlier.
“We had a witness that said that Johnson fired at the police,” Mr. Kelly said Saturday. “But the final count of the shells, it appears that that is not the case.”
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 10:25 pm
(April 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I wonder what would have happened if the staff at that school had been armed instead of defenseless...
Maybe the same thing would have gone down, or maybe return fire would have injured or scared / held off the gunman until the police arrived.
I'm a student at a community college in the same area. We have, for security, armed policed officers. They had guns, but they didn't need to use them in this case.
If someone was trained to use a gun, in this situation, they probably would have known better than to use it in the first place. Fact was, the guy with the knife had to be close to others to stab them, which would make it really easy to accidentally shoot the innocent bystanders you're intending to protect. Those chances go way up if the gun is in the hands of someone who really hasn't undergone significant training.
The idea that more guns makes us safer just doesn't pan out. It's an idea promoted by people who have a vested financial interest in selling more guns, so I'm highly critical. They make money and accomplish their job from selling guns, not from society being safe. If it were an idea promoted by law enforcement organizations, I'd be more receptive.
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Both sides are going about it wrong...we must focus on mental health rather than on a band-aid solution, but Americans tend to ignore issues until after it is far too late to make a difference. American society is reactive instead of proactive.
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RE: The difference between knives and guns
April 10, 2013 at 11:02 pm
(April 10, 2013 at 10:52 pm)Polaris Wrote: Both sides are going about it wrong...we must focus on mental health rather than on a band-aid solution, but Americans tend to ignore issues until after it is far too late to make a difference. American society is reactive instead of proactive. Removing pieces of equipment that are specifically designed to kill isn't a band-aid solution when trying to decrease killings.
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