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If Not Hell then what?

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If Not Hell then what?
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#171
RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm
(May 6, 2013 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='441151' dateline='1367844169']
So he can't just go poof and we disappear there is a process, probably with some forms and a factory.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm (This post was last modified: May 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm by Undeceived.)
(May 7, 2013 at 11:21 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:
(May 6, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Drich Wrote: He does not fit the definition of "unlimited potential" you place on Him.

No. He is either unlimited or limited. Which is it? My definition of unlimited is not at all skewed by any opinion. Limit or No-Limit. It's not me that places this value to this entity you defend. It either is or isn't.

Are you arguing that God is limitless in every characteristic known to man? Including pride, greed, envy, lust--all the vices--as well as generosity, patience, courage--all the virtues?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 2:37 pm
(May 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Undeceived Wrote:
(May 7, 2013 at 11:21 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: No. He is either unlimited or limited. Which is it? My definition of unlimited is not at all skewed by any opinion. Limit or No-Limit. It's not me that places this value to this entity you defend. It either is or isn't.

Are you arguing that God is limitless in every characteristic known to man? Including pride, greed, envy, lust--all the vices--as well as generosity, patience, courage--all the virtues?

I am saying that if one is to assert that God and his abilities (whichever ones they may assert) are unlimited, and then apply any kind of limit to him or his abilities, in any way, implies a contradiction.
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#174
RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 6:15 pm
(May 7, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote:
(May 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Are you arguing that God is limitless in every characteristic known to man? Including pride, greed, envy, lust--all the vices--as well as generosity, patience, courage--all the virtues?

I am saying that if one is to assert that God and his abilities (whichever ones they may assert) are unlimited, and then apply any kind of limit to him or his abilities, in any way, implies a contradiction.

So you'd define "benevolence" as an ability?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 7:19 pm
No, I suppose I wouldn't. More of an attribute, wouldn't you agree?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 7:54 pm (This post was last modified: May 7, 2013 at 7:57 pm by Undeceived.)
(May 7, 2013 at 7:19 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: No, I suppose I wouldn't. More of an attribute, wouldn't you agree?
If by "attribute" you mean character. Living beings are a combination of character (personality) and capacity (ability), right? Is benevolence part of God's character?
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#177
RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 7, 2013 at 9:52 pm
(May 7, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Is benevolence part of God's character?

Not in the slightest.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 8, 2013 at 11:20 am
Whoa, keep in mind...I'm not arguing that God has ANYTHING. I'm just saying that if anyone is to say that God has ANYTHING, as a property of Him, and they also assert that God's potential is unlimited, to imply any sort of limit to WHATEVER they assert to be one of His properties, that is a contradiction. If ones capacity to be benevolent has limits, then yes, in that sense it is an example of a limit placed on an ability possessed by a supposed limitless being. That would be a contradiction.
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#179
RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 8, 2013 at 2:01 pm
(May 8, 2013 at 11:20 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: Whoa, keep in mind...I'm not arguing that God has ANYTHING. I'm just saying that if anyone is to say that God has ANYTHING, as a property of Him, and they also assert that God's potential is unlimited, to imply any sort of limit to WHATEVER they assert to be one of His properties, that is a contradiction. If ones capacity to be benevolent has limits, then yes, in that sense it is an example of a limit placed on an ability possessed by a supposed limitless being. That would be a contradiction.

What makes you say benevolence is a capacity and not a choice?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
May 8, 2013 at 2:17 pm
(April 18, 2013 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?

Reward them for having enough sense to realize that eternal servitude is it's own hell.
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