Jesus

[A_Nony_Mouse]

You asserted that in order to be a rabbi...and rabbinic judaism does not begin until the temple is destroyed in 70...some 40 years after your fictional godboy allegedly met his end...

We are not talking about Rabbinic Judaism. We are talking about Jesus being identified as a Rabbi. Two different things Mr. Strawman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbinic_Judaism

Gee whiz, Mr. Cheese. Jesus was identified as a rabbi before there were rabbis. Another of those ineffable mysteries of the christian faith.

Hint: If you want to be taken seriously do not cite anonymous sources like the high school level wikipedia. Only A_Nony_Mouse sources are legitimate.

he had to to study a book which did not exist.

The Talmudic principles were orally taught. No where does it say one must study from a book in order to know the talmudic/mishnah principles being discussed here. (If you read the two links provided you'll know it is acceptable to use the terms interchangably; Talmud, Mishnah)

There is no mention of any "oral tradition" until after the out of work priests invent being rabbis and in the process invent the oral tradition to back up their invention. Note it is circular with rabbis and oral tradition supporting rabbis being invented at the same time.

I find it incredible people can know the people named Cohen and such, Kohenim/priests, claiming their name proves their families were originally rabbis and yet not get the joke.

Moreover, the talmud is composed of two parts, the mishnah (3d century) and the gemara and the gemara was not written until the 6th century.

It's funny how your dates keep migrating 100 years everytime dates are discussed. At the rate your going if this conversation lasts just a few more turns you'll be claiming that the Talmud was written in 1959.

Last I read the Jerusalem Talmud is traditionally dated no earlier than the 5th. c. and the Babylonian traditionally dated no earlier than the 6th c. Both AD of course. Note of course the term traditionally. I know of no factual evidence, such as mention of their existence until the 8th or 9th c. If you have evidence of something different please post it.

I've known for a while that you, like most jesus freaks, make this shit up as you go along but at least try to learn what the Jews were doing. After all, you stole their god for your own purposes.

Appearently your projecting. (The making stuff up/bending facts part to support your arguements.)

The issue is nothing but physical evidence is permitted. Got any?

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The entire idea of saving was invented after believers had to face the fact they needed something to keep the donations flowing when people started leaving for the world not ending. Augustine was the greatest contributor to keeping the cash flowing when he tortured the Eden story until it admitted original sin.

A habit of continual reinvention that persists to this very day - every time the world stubbornly refuses to end when the holyman calls it's number.

Continued invention? Every religious opinion on things about which the bible is silent is an invention. What do they really have against abortion? Jesus was silent. Slavery is immoral? A Brit invention. Rifled bullets? Spun by the devil.

Reportedly Thomas Jefferson [early US president] had fun with his red words bible to dump on the savages, aka church priests and preachers. Our approach has a long pedigree. We just don't have to be so circumspect these days.

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It's funny how your dates keep migrating 100 years everytime dates are discussed.

200 CE is the start of the THIRD century and 500 CE is the start of the SIXTH century. Try to keep up will you Drippy.

And 0 was the start of the 1st c.

Back to turn of the millennium fun!

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And no man in the stories ever complains about that either. Maybe David and I are too fastidious...we always clean up afterwards.

Different strokes so to speak. I've had two wives and three long term live in lovers and I never had an issue or heard a complaint about it nor thinking back was their any behavior which might suggest the women had a problem.

This can be more interesting than, Can you sleep in the light. Care to start it?

[Minimalist]

Jesus was identified as a rabbi before there were rabbis.

Ssshhh...Drippy is easily confused.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Jesus was identified as a rabbi before there were rabbis.

Ssshhh...Drippy is easily confused.

Getting back to political bible archaeology, arkies in Israel have realized there is a problem with the recent jewish invention that there were always rabbis in addition to priests. They are now busily engaged in discovering ancient synagogues. You may recall one of the spurious bits of "evidence" of a captivity in Babylon was the discovery of a synagogue because the foundation looked sort of like what modern synagogues would look like if the niche for the Torah scrolls were actually part of the foundation. That is a verbal form of a "how many errors can you find in this picture" puzzle.

Perhaps it was realizing that a 6th. c. BC synagogue in Babylon had to be compared to a 6th c. BC synagogue in bibleland that got them started.

[Minimalist]

I read a little feud between bible and non-bible archaeologists some time back which basically was over the findings by the latter that there were no reliably identifiable "synagogues" in Galilee prior to the 2d century. The jesus freaks have a tendency to want to push everything into the first century but when C14 dating techniques are applied that no longer worked. As I recall in Greek the word merely suggests a place of assembly. The US senate could be a synagogue... instead of the cesspool it truly is.

Anyway, the point is that synagogues were a later addition to the mix. If there was any point at all to the OT it is that ALL religious activity was supposed to be centered in the temple IN Jerusalem. This was how the priests maintained their monopoly. A bunch of Jews "assembling" somewhere need not mean it was a religious thing. They could have been talking about what men usually talk about.

Pussy.

I always found it interesting that the Greek geographer, Pausanias, writing a century after the alleged "saul/paul" was in Corinth never found any hint that there were any jews or xtians in Corinth in the 2d century. Of course, we have later evidence of such synagogues but that really doesn't help them, does it?

[A_Nony_Mouse]

I read a little feud between bible and non-bible archaeologists some time back which basically was over the findings by the latter that there were no reliably identifiable "synagogues" in Galilee prior to the 2d century. The jesus freaks have a tendency to want to push everything into the first century but when C14 dating techniques are applied that no longer worked. As I recall in Greek the word merely suggests a place of assembly. The US senate could be a synagogue... instead of the cesspool it truly is.

Everything the believers say is a "spot all the errors" puzzle. I have only come across one rational statement about the 1st c. AD. It was to the effect, "Something very interesting happened. Unfortunately we have no idea what it was." He was expressing not only almost no evidence but that what little there is just makes no sense. Mithra, Appolonius of Tyana, Sol Invictus and other cults spring up.

In the previous century there had only been a short-lived Egyptian god cults under sponsorship of Caesar and Antony. Before that, nothing. After the 1st AD nothing new just a continuation of the 1st c. appearances. But it mostly assuming the 2nd c. reports indicates they started in the 1st c. are the only thing that relegate these things to the 1st.

For example the earliest Christian material is around 130 and it appears mature enough that it had to have started in the previous century but what it was in the previous century and even what it was by the material itself is far from clear.

Anyway, the point is that synagogues were a later addition to the mix. If there was any point at all to the OT it is that ALL religious activity was supposed to be centered in the temple IN Jerusalem. This was how the priests maintained their monopoly.

The Yahweh cult was not creedal. It was purely ritual/taboo. There was nothing to teach or learn or believe beyond what the priests could do to you if you violated their hundreds of Torah laws which made everyone guilty of something.

I think it was Ayn Rand who pointed out the objective of passing laws on everything was to make everyone guilty of something. That is what the Torah most closely resembles. And the priest kings of the Maccabes not only enforced but could impose summary execution upon the guilty on their own say so. One assumes shekels instead of stoning was an option.

Of course the ritual obligations were to travel to Jerusalem once a year to pay the temple tax. And to sacrifice which was another tax. Islam copied this but eased the requirement making it Mecca only once in a lifetime. No place in any literature are anything like rabbis mentioned. There is no indication that the peasants had to be taught anything. Any suggestion of it is total invention.

And as I have noted, the idea of having to know something of scripture is based solely upon the gospel story of the young Jesus in the temple and upon the gospel of Jesus as a child wherein he knew scripture. Unfortunately there is no indication of anything like that in all Judaism.

The closest thing to it is the Bar Mitzvah which was invented in the second half of the 19th c. It is the only jewish, christian sacrament.

A bunch of Jews "assembling" somewhere need not mean it was a religious thing. They could have been talking about what men usually talk about.

Pussy.

The more women are condemned for exciting carnal thoughts the less responsible the man for giving into them. And Minyim and Funyuns sound like the same thing.

But, yes, thank you god that I was not born a woman -- else I could not fuck that hot bitch in my bed.

I always found it interesting that the Greek geographer, Pausanias, writing a century after the alleged "saul/paul" was in Corinth never found any hint that there were any jews or xtians in Corinth in the 2d century. Of course, we have later evidence of such synagogues but that really doesn't help them, does it?

That would be a bit early for anyone to notice a difference between Jews and Christians.

But Corinth is traditionally one of the origin points of Christianity. Northern Syria and Eastern Turkey are the focal points not Palestine. I mean Sidon and Tyre were coastal cities to the west of 1st c. Galilee. if they were driven out of Jerusalem (which is hypothetical beyond any source) those would be the obvious places to settle. So would Damascus. In the other direction the densely populated Nile delta.

Enough for now. And people wonder why my website is so big.

[Minimalist]

There was nothing to teach or learn or believe beyond what the priests could do to you if you violated their hundreds of Torah laws which made everyone guilty of something.

Consistent with other ancient religious practices, though. The point was to propitiate the gods so they would intercede on your behalf. The Romans practically had a matrix for it. X

X god was pissed off about Y therefore Z(#) of sacrificial victims had to be offered. Kind of like catholicism now which makes sense in a way. "You got a blow job? Five hail marys....unless you are a priest. Then you get a gold star."

[A_Nony_Mouse]

There was nothing to teach or learn or believe beyond what the priests could do to you if you violated their hundreds of Torah laws which made everyone guilty of something.

Consistent with other ancient religious practices, though. The point was to propitiate the gods so they would intercede on your behalf. The Romans practically had a matrix for it. X

X god was pissed off about Y therefore Z(#) of sacrificial victims had to be offered. Kind of like catholicism now which makes sense in a way. "You got a blow job? Five hail marys....unless you are a priest. Then you get a gold star."

Excuse me good sir but I know of no other religion which did anything comparable. All through the Greek and Roman and Egyptian empires there were essentially only two mandatory rules.
1)Do not blaspheme any god.
2)In time of need everyone in the city offers at least some incense.

What people did privately was of no interest to the gods or more correctly the priests of the gods. The gods did not at any time in any way dictate or prohibit (ritual or taboo) any human behavior. They only got pissed at blasphemy, disrespect, just like kings and parents did.

National laws were so completely divorced from religion that 2) was never mentioned. Beyond that they were all more or less like the laws we have today. The Code of Hammurabi is like modern laws. The Torah is batshit and at least 1400 years younger by any reckoning so there is no excuse.

I have noted Rome had a freedom of religion we in the US have yet to achieve.

[Minimalist]

Read Livy.

There is a formula to his writing. Every year begins with elections and then the auguries are taken and then you get into some horseshit like this.

] Men's fears were augmented by the prodigies reported simultaneously from many places: that in Sicily the javelins of several soldiers had taken fire, and that in Sardinia, as a horseman was making the round of the night-watch, the same thing had happened to the truncheon which he held in his hand; that many fires had blazed up on the shore; that two shields had sweated blood; that certain soldiers had been struck with lightning; that the sun's disk had seemed to be contracted; [9] that glowing stones had fallen from the sky at Praeneste; that at Arpi bucklers had appeared in the sky and the sun had seemed to be fighting with the moon; that at Capena two moons had risen in the daytime; [10] that the waters of Caere had flowed mixed with blood, and that bloodstains had appeared in the water that trickled from the spring of Hercules itself; that at Antium, when some men were reaping, bloody ears of corn had fallen into their basket; that at Falerii the sky had seemed to be rent as it were with a great fissure; and through the opening a bright light had shone; [11] and that lots5 had shrunk [p. 203]and that one had fallen out without being touched,6 on which was written, “Mavors7 brandishes his spear;” [12] that in Rome, about the same time, the statue of Mars on the Appian Way and the images of the wolves had sweated; that at Capua there had been the appearance of a sky on fire and of a moon that fell in the midst of a shower of rain. [13] Afterwards less memorable prodigies were also given credence: that certain folk had found their goats to have got woolly fleeces; that a hen had changed into a cock and a cock into a hen.

[14] When the consul had laid these reports before the senate exactly as they had come to him and had introduced into the House the men who vouched for their truth, he consulted the Fathers regarding their religious import. [15] It was voted that these prodigies should be expiated, in part with greater, in part with lesser victims, and that a supplication should be held for three days at all the couches of the gods; [16] as for the rest, when the decemvirs should have inspected the Books, such rites were to be observed as they should declare, in accordance with the sacred verses,8 to be pleasing to the gods. [17] Being so admonished by the decemvirs, they decreed that the first gift should be made to Jupiter, a golden thunderbolt weighing fifty pounds; and that Juno and Minerva should be given offerings of silver; [18] that Juno Regina on the Aventine and Juno Sospita at Lanuvium should receive a sacrifice of greater victims, and that the matrons, each contributing as much as she could afford, should make up a sum of money and carry it as a gift to Juno Regina on the Aventine and there celebrate a lectisternium9 ; and that even the very freed-women [p. 205]should contribute money, in proportion to their10 abilities, for an offering to Feronia.11 [19] These measures being taken, the decemvirs sacrificed at Ardea in the market-place with the greater victims. Finally-the month was now December —victims were slain at the temple of Saturn in Rome and a lectisternium was ordered-this time senators administered the rite12 —and [20] a public feast, and throughout the City for a day and a night “Saturnalia” was cried, and the people were bidden to keep that day as a holiday and observe it in perpetuity.13

And BTW, this is from the Year When Gnaeus Servilius Geminus and Gaius Flaminius were consuls...otherwise known as 217 BC to us. They must have fucked up the sacrifices though. Both got their asses kicked by Hannibal. Additionally, there is the commanded performance of the lectisternium which can be read about here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectisternium

Superstitious pap? Of course. But what religion isn't?

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Read Livy.

There is a formula to his writing. Every year begins with elections and then the auguries are taken and then you get into some horseshit like this.

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I delete all those words simply to prevent confusion.

And BTW, this is from the Year When Gnaeus Servilius Geminus and Gaius Flaminius were consuls...otherwise known as 217 BC to us. They must have fucked up the sacrifices though. Both got their asses kicked by Hannibal. Additionally, there is the commanded performance of the lectisternium which can be read about here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectisternium

Superstitious pap? Of course. But what religion isn't?

Because I took your comment to mean what I was talking about, the gods giving a damn about human behavior in general. The specific subject was the primitive ritual/taboo regulating most every aspect of life type of religion that is Judaism. If I missed something in what you posted could you post it again and highlight exactly those parts? Much appreciated.

[Little Rik]

Some expert () here reckon that it was impossible for Jesus to travel to India 2000 years ago.
3 or 4000 years ago from east europe and central Asia the Aryan invaded part of Indian subcontinent and settle there.
The original inhabitants of that region are quite dark so why about 1/3 of indian have fair complexion if not for the Aryans which had fair complexion?
Anyway if the Aryan could travel so far 1500 years before Jesus then also Jesus could have travel that distance later on.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/agjc024.htm

http://mysticson.blogspot.com.au/2007/05...rings.html

http://mysticson.blogspot.com.au/2007/05...f-his.html

http://lindahourihan.wordpress.com/2012/...ssa-india/

Other reports tell us that Jesus even survive the crucifixion and end us in kashmir where he die at an old age.

http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php/en/