God of the Gaps

[The Grand Nudger]

I guess the best way to explain it would be to use my own thoughts.

If you want more a more specific definition of what I meant by 'God-like', then I would firstly say a 'creator' of some kind. Not something that 'created' the Earth (We *know* Earth wasn't 'created' as it says in the bible, after all), but something that came 'before' the universe, in a sense.

You haven't narrowed the field here, all manner of things could have preceded the universe (if this proposition even makes sense) and why we would call any of them a god remains a mystery at this point.

(I'll admit I'm no physicist, and so I'm not clued up on whether we know what existed before the Big Bang or even if the concept of 'before the universe' is possible, so if someone could enlighten me on that I'd much appreciate it!).

What lies north of the north pole?

If there was a being that existed outside the universe in such a way, there's a good chance we wouldn't recognise it as a being in the traditional sense - I've always been facisnated by the idea of the 'Shadow Biome', which is essentially the concept that there might be a whole other life system on our planet that we simply don't see because we're so set in out ways of what 'life' has to look and act like. This would be similar, and could resemble a deity in that sense.

Outside of the universe? Let me just take the time upfront to tell you that a shadow biome is in no way similar to something "outside of the universe". Let me ask you a question, do you reckon you could turn on my tv from where you are, "outside" of my home? What do you think you -can- do from the "outside"? What bearing would something utside of our universe have within our universe, why must it be a "being" what would that even mean (seeing as a "being" is a notion based upon things within our universe...upon what grounds do you imagine that there is something like it outside - or that there even is an "outside"?)

In other words, I suppose I'm kind of being deliberately vague. My point was that we don't know what lies outside our universe. It could be anything, and I just find that fascinating.

Good for you, you find imagining things fascinating, so do I. How is any of this supposed to make me, as an atheist, accept even the possibility of a gods existence?

Again, I'll stress that I'm just talking about the *possibility*, but I'm still interested to know what people think!

Yep, talking about the possibility of something while removing it from anything that could be used to assign it any possibility. As I suspected, not only is this a god of the gaps..but you have actually had to invent a fucking gap......jesus christ.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

I guess the best way to explain it would be to use my own thoughts.

If you want more a more specific definition of what I meant by 'God-like', then I would firstly say a 'creator' of some kind.

The word used for create in Genesis means shape or form. EVERY place else the word is used it is translated as in to shape or to form or to make.

Why do you try to make a case for this one translation being different when any reason for doing so is at best circular and is in fact arbitrary and capricious?

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Its turtles all the way down.

Actually the one on the bottom is a tortoise.

[Wheeler1552]

Outside of the universe? Let me just take the time upfront to tell you that a shadow biome is in no way similar to something "outside of the universe". Let me ask you a question, do you reckon you could turn on my tv from where you are, "outside" of my home? What do you think you -can- do from the "outside"? What bearing would something utside of our universe have within our universe, why must it be a "being" what would that even mean (seeing as a "being" is a notion based upon things within our universe...upon what grounds do you imagine that there is something like it outside - or that there even is an "outside"?)

That's a really good point, never thought about it like that before. Don't get me wrong here, I'm sure if science finds an answer to questions like it'll be 100 time more interesting than a pseudo-religious explanation. I'm interested in the debate more than anything, and people have made some great points on both sides here

[The Grand Nudger]

Next at 10 - Apologist floats an argument from ignorance, gets shot down, declares it a draw.

[Jackalope]

Its turtles all the way down.

Actually the one on the bottom is a tortoise.

There is no bottom. It's turtles all the way, to inifinity and beyond.

[Godscreated]

the more I see of theists on this forum the more I am convinced that they are nothing more that two year olds with temper tantrum issues

"WHY AM I NOT SPECIAL ENOUGH FOR EVERYTHING AWESOME TO HAPPEN TO ME NOW!?!?!"

When have you seen me present this quote in my statements.

[thesummerqueen]

And they're convinced everyone is talking about them personally, although this has been displayed by several atheist members as well.

[Jackalope]

And they're convinced everyone is talking about them personally, although this has been displayed by several atheist members as well.

Not to mention those with fabricated quotes in their signature. Just sayin'.

[thesummerqueen]

And the inability to be anything less than literal.

[Wheeler1552]

Next at 10 - Apologist floats an argument from ignorance, gets shot down, declares it a draw.

I'm not an apologist. I'm an agnostic ex-christian. My argument was born of curiosity and wanting to know what other people's views were. TBH, a lot of people on this thread haven't given me much love for the community here.