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Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 2, 2013 at 12:45 pm)frz Wrote:
(April 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm)festive1 Wrote: Only thing I'd add, Tonus, is you should have found a pic of her with her baby bump! Can a woman be more feminine?

Yes... with long hair, explicit examples of her submissiveness, and maybe a totally cute dress and handbag ensamble.

Bonus points if it's a corset, and she's in the shadow of a masculine figure, and she's supremely timid and shy.

None sense. You do know what you are describing is old European aristocracy standards? Just as it is today with rich men who has all the money and all they want is for their wives to look pretty all the time to show them off like trophies to their entourage. That was never how the rest of the world works and expected from women except those who envy the rich and famous. You got the rest of us all wrong Missy though, you'll still cute.

Just sayin' from a biological standpoint, pregnancy is the ultimate female thing. Personally, I have never felt more confident in my femaleness than just after having my kids... Probably something to do with the hormone surges. I literally got out up (after a good amount of cooing over new baby time), went to the kitchen, and made myself a sandwich. Then I took a shower, because having babies is a messy business.
I felt like Super Woman. After you push an 8.5 pound baby out of your body, you do realize if you can do that, you can do anything, as long as you put your mind to it.
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm)frz Wrote: Funnnnnnny

Ennnnnnnlightening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9VSGPmkUc0

(May 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm)festive1 Wrote: Just sayin' from a biological standpoint, pregnancy is the ultimate female thing. Personally, I have never felt more confident in my femaleness than just after having my kids... Probably something to do with the hormone surges. I literally got out up (after a good amount of cooing over new baby time), went to the kitchen, and made myself a sandwich. Then I took a shower, because having babies is a messy business.
I felt like Super Woman. After you push an 8.5 pound baby out of your body, you do realize if you can do that, you can do anything, as long as you put your mind to it.

Or... yknow... your vagina.

Answer to every problem ever: put your vagina to it Tiger
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Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm)festive1 Wrote: Just sayin' from a biological standpoint, pregnancy is the ultimate female thing. Personally, I have never felt more confident in my femaleness than just after having my kids... Probably something to do with the hormone surges. I literally got out up (after a good amount of cooing over new baby time), went to the kitchen, and made myself a sandwich. Then I took a shower, because having babies is a messy business.
I felt like Super Woman. After you push an 8.5 pound baby out of your body, you do realize if you can do that, you can do anything, as long as you put your mind to it.

You have to see that it is just your experience. Being strong is necessarily just a feminine thing, nor is being a parent. Women have all different ways to feel feminine and women who cannot have children are no less feminine for it.
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 2, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Shell B Wrote: You have to see that it is just your experience. Being strong is necessarily just a feminine thing, nor is being a parent. Women have all different ways to feel feminine and women who cannot have children are no less feminine for it.

I asked if I could adopt, but they told me I was crazy. Then they sent me back to prison.

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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 2, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(May 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm)festive1 Wrote: Just sayin' from a biological standpoint, pregnancy is the ultimate female thing. Personally, I have never felt more confident in my femaleness than just after having my kids... Probably something to do with the hormone surges. I literally got out up (after a good amount of cooing over new baby time), went to the kitchen, and made myself a sandwich. Then I took a shower, because having babies is a messy business.
I felt like Super Woman. After you push an 8.5 pound baby out of your body, you do realize if you can do that, you can do anything, as long as you put your mind to it.

You have to see that it is just your experience. Being strong is necessarily just a feminine thing, nor is being a parent. Women have all different ways to feel feminine and women who cannot have children are no less feminine for it.

Very true. This was my experience with birth. I've met as many, if not more, women who found their births to be anywhere from "meh" experiences to outright traumatic, horror stories.
What I'm trying to express is that I didn't really feel "feminine," rather a more primal femaleness. It didn't feel feminine to me, it was something female, empowering, and... I can't quite put my finger on it... Weird Earth-motherness? And I'm not a hippy. I don't really have the words to express it, and I'm not doing a very good job in my attempt, so I'm going to shut up now :-)
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 2, 2013 at 11:59 am)Darkstar Wrote: Just like there are no racists because it is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of ethnicity. Oh...wait

Hey there,

Sorry for the delay getting back to you.

In your post above you are confusing attitudes with actual practice.

We as citizens can only influence our Governments as regards laws, not what people think.

Negative discrimination in practice is manifested by one person or group be treated differently account of their identity. For example:

- a law prohibiting black people using a bus service
- a company which paid women less than men for doing the same job
- a convention which prevented Catholics joining a trade union

These are all examples of negative discrimination. Governments can prevent this kind of discrimination via law. Western governments have completed this process to a very comprehensive extent.

Racist attitudes are different. They are to do with thought, not practice. (Law prevents racist thought becoming practice).

There is no doubt that racist thoughts are wrong and unacceptable, but no Government can reliably police the thoughts of its citizens.

The policing of thought should naturally be abhorrent to any free thinker, given it strips personal sovereignty from the individual.

Governments can try to educate citizens, yes, but as the existing list of racist groups you mention shows, this is only of limited effectiveness as people can choose not to engage with the attempt.

In Western societies today, there is no discrimination against women.

It is illegal to refuse them jobs because they are women, it is illegal to pay them less wages because they are women. It is wrong to prevent them having the same opportunities and rights as men - eg to vote, or drive a car.

In Western societies today, in law, men and women are treated exactly equally and no tangible negative discrimination exists against women whatsoever.

(May 2, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: against women, just not so much in the lives of these nutty feminists.

Hi Shell B,

So (above) you admit these are attention seekers, more than anything?

(May 2, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: Go to the Middle East for a bit.

Oh, how desperate is that?

For starters, who are you to say how middle easterners should live their lives?

If the women there do not like their lot, would they not change it (as women did in previous generations in the west)?

Are they not working to change it right now? (they are).

Do you think middle eastern women are less powerful or intelligent then western women?

Arrogantly selecting aspects of other cultures to use as a platform for attention is what most feminists seem to be about nowadays.

Its like me saying I don't like the fact there is ice in Iceland and then "look at me, look at me, I don't like the ice in Iceland".

By western standards, yes, women in middle eastern countries have a poor lot. But then, so do the poor, so do non-muslims, so do foreigners............in act, if you are anyone other than the favoured son of the ruling dynasty, you are likely to have problems.

Wouldn't it be much better if we confronted (eg) human rights abused collectively, as opposed to in a cluster of self-interested groups?

Quote:That is called a generalization or a blanket statement.

Yes indeed and I stand by it Big Grin

(May 2, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: Here's another example: Catholics, such as yourself, do nothing but fuck small children and enable other Catholics to do the same. Shame on you, rapist.

You could at least make your efforts at being offensive accurate, you are more likely to have success that way.

The Catholic abuse scandals concerned not "small children", but mainly, (80-90% depending on region), sexually mature teenage boys, up to the age of 17.

This is clearly spelled out in the John Jay Report, and others. (Read it, if you don't believe me). Heres what the John Jay report found:

Gender of victims: 81% male (a very clear bias towards males, which is indicative).

Age range of victims: 22% younger than 10, 51% aged 11 - 14, 27% aged 15 - 17.

There was a clear preference for young, sexually mature males.

I.e. the majority of the Catholic abuse scandal was caused by predatory homosexual men who could not keep their hands off younger men who trusted them, or whom they had power / authority over.

Such men are well know in the wider gay community and have long been celebrated as "chicken hawks".

"A chickenhawk or chicken hawk is slang used in American and British gay culture to denote older males who prefer younger males for partners"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(gay_slang)

(proper refs within article).

These men were ephebophiles, (attraction to teenagers, usually boys) not paedophiles (attraction to children). The media tend to use these terms interchangeably to confuse and deceive the generally ignorant public.

The Vatican was criticised for trying to "blame the gays" for the abuse, but that's clearly what the data demonstrates.

So, get your abuse right next time and I might deign to be offended.

Though I am sure our interactions would be far more mutually satisfying if you could construct logical, mature arguments to confront me with, instead of resorting to inaccurate name calling (just sayin).

Good day to you Big Grin
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(May 6, 2013 at 1:38 pm)Gabriel Syme Wrote: These are all examples of negative discrimination. Governments can prevent this kind of discrimination via law.
In Western societies today, there is no discrimination against women.

It is illegal to refuse them jobs because they are women, it is illegal to pay them less wages because they are women. It is wrong to prevent them having the same opportunities and rights as men - eg to vote, or drive a car.

In Western societies today, in law, men and women are treated exactly equally and no tangible negative discrimination exists against women whatsoever.

In your post above you are confusing actual practice with laws. It may be illegal to discriminate against people based on race or sex, but if you cannot prove that you were discriminated against for that reason, there is no way to enforce it.




I could provide more than these two studies, but a google search would suffice for that.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
Wow, that is some seriously creepy apologetics.
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