Finally found the evidence.

[Creed of Heresy]

Faith is a curse upon mankind, the greatest retarder of that which actually eases the pains and sufferings that the harsh, cruel universe has heaped upon us since the very beginning of life on earth [hundreds of millions of years ago if not billions of years ago, by the way, not 5000, as I am sure you actually believe, you poor ignorant bastard...]. No loving god would ever force us to take things on faith when faith has a long storied history of leaving ruin and destruction and pain in its wake for no gain whatsoever. A loving god wouldn't punish all of humanity for its supposed ancestor's mistake, either, yet he did, repeatedly.

Ever wonder why so many people consider acts of mercy and forgiveness to be the stronger roads to take? Because they cool the bestial, primal anger within us by denying those emotions to have power over ourselves, and because it requires strength of character to take a road that stops the pain from spreading. A flame only spreads when it has fuel, but those of mercy and forgiveness [REAL forgiveness, the personal kind, the one where you get beat the fuck up and you don't go and shoot the guy later] don't feed the flame and we realize the benefit it brings to society.

Again. It requires strength of character...but it took Yahweh how many centuries and annihilations and genocides before his supposedly all-merciful ass supposedly decided to forgive humanity?? And even then he had to do it in the most convoluted and non-sensical way imaginable, making it exceedingly overblown, unbelievable, and easily-doubted, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SUDDENLY INTRODUCING THE CONCEPT OF ETERNAL DAMNATION AND AGONY AND TORTURE out of the fucking blue for anyone who DIDN'T believe this unbelievable tale, thus ensuring that people would continue suffering, and not just in THIS lifetime, but for ALL ETERNITY!

Have you even TRIED to consider this shit AT ALL? Have you run it through your head even once?? WHY do you believe this shit so unquestioningly WHEN THERE ARE NO ANSWERS?!! You've already shown in previous posts that you're incapable of answering my questions! You just spout platitudes about the joys of being ignorant, with no basis or foundation for any of them! HOW ARE YOU NOT ASKING YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS?! Do you truly respect yourself so little that you don't even care?! Do you have such low opinion of yourself and your family and friends [if indeed you even have any] that you don't even consider the ramifications of these EXTREMELY huge problems?! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!

*takes a deep, shuddering breath*

You must be. There's no other reasonable conclusion I can come to. I don't know why you are the way you are. The only other alternative I can think of that would make sense is... They... They must have gotten to you when you were a very young child. They must've ensured you never asked questions. They brainwashed you so totally, so absolutely...you're not even capable of thinking for yourself in even the most rudimentary forms of rational process. They broke you, man... I want to hate you for your ignorance of these questions that DEMAND a reasonable, moral mind to ask, but...I don't even think I can BLAME you for it, much less hate you for it. Your words aren't even your own, they're echoes from someone else, your thoughts replaced by men who desire power and control over you and yet you genuinely believe every last one of them. You're just...you're a tragedy...

This is the most depressing thing I've seen all week...I was volunteering at the rape crisis center here twice this past week...and this is the saddest thing I've come to realize. I can't explain the horror and distress I feel having realized just what happened to you. I literally just had to fight to hold back tears...that's how bad it is.

I'm shaking, too...because I realize I could have ended up just like you. If I hadn't asked these same questions myself years ago, I could be just like you...incapable of understanding, incapable of thinking for myself...

Fuck, man...I truly hope you find the strength to ask these questions, to just sit and truly ponder them and study them and mull them over, with the desire not to come to the most convenient answer, but to the most honest, unbiased ones instead. I really..really pity you. I can't even begin to explain how much, or why...I don't think, as you are, that you would understand why, even if I explained it in great detail, and that makes it even more tragic.

I need to go outside...I need to go for a walk...

[smax]

Because you understand something incorrectly, does not make it a contradiction ????? All TRANSLATIONS of the scriptures have faults ???? It is foolishness to discredit the original script because men made mistakes { some intentional } in later translations ???

None of these statements are worded as questions and yet they each have multiple question marks behind them.

Anyway, these passages of scripture are not difficult to understand. They are very plain.

If you are truthfull and not biased, you would seek to discredit the volume of Hebrew and Greek scriptures, as so many others have tried and failed. ps: The above translation is correct and so is your assumption, FAITH is a gift from God which believers HOPE for . "christiandom" does not teach this, but this is not a contradiction of scripture, but a contradiction of men .

Wow! Did you just suggest that I analyze the information in the orginal languages even though you concede that my interpretation is correct?

[Brian37]

Be sure to barbecue kittens, record the NFL without their permission and rip the tags off of your mattress.

[goodnews]

You Brian37 assumed Galations 1:11-16 to be a scriptual contradiction to faith, I explained it is mans interpretation of faith, thats a contradiction to scripture, and that you had correctly understood the correctly translated passages, this apparently is not the result you had hoped for ! Upon learning that faith is a gift of God you creed of herecy falsely assume I believe the un-scriptual pagan doctrin of eternal hell, and get yourself all worked up for naught ? The pair of you would do well to heed this / A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

[Creed of Heresy]

*sighs*

[That guy who asked questions]

I find this most interesting, may I ask what the false evidence was, and this misunderstood experience ? I am given the impresion from your thread you were religious, prehaps went to church. I find it hard to believe that you trully believed in these un- scriptural doctrins preached with vanity in the first place , because if you did not , like so many do, your leaving this corupt system, just mite be more significant than you think, I dont believe one doctrin preached by "christiandom" as none of them is scriptual , dont get me wrong I am no preacher and dont fool myself I can make one soul believe in God, I just dont think a leopard can change its spots.

False evidence = The Bible
Misunderstood experience = My own personal "divine intervention" due to a lack of knowledge (or more appropriately a lack of application) of modern psychology.

I was very religious and preached and evangelized and spoke in tongues and got many, many people in the christian faith and did exactly as you are doing now (attempting to evangelize to atheists) but the fact is that The Bible, the god described in The Bible, and my own delusion were false. I discovered it all myself through asking questions. I'm not going to be mean and disrespectful to you despite the fact that you have been disrespectful to the other members because two negatives only equal a positive in math. I think I understand where you are at in your faith and just let me make it clear to you... when you ask yourself "Why do I believe in this, what good does it do, and am I sure what I believe is true." You'll open a door to find so many answers that you couldn't possibly imagine and hold the biblical concept of god. Answers that don't stifle the progress of the human condition in fear of the end, but open the mind and will to drive our species to a new level of prosperity.

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Faith is a curse upon mankind, the greatest retarder of that which actually eases the pains and sufferings that the harsh, cruel universe has heaped upon us since the very beginning of life on earth [hundreds of millions of years ago if not billions of years ago, by the way, not 5000, as I am sure you actually believe, you poor ignorant bastard...]. No loving god would ever force us to take things on faith when faith has a long storied history of leaving ruin and destruction and pain in its wake for no gain whatsoever. A loving god wouldn't punish all of humanity for its supposed ancestor's mistake, either, yet he did, repeatedly.

Ever wonder why so many people consider acts of mercy and forgiveness to be the stronger roads to take? Because they cool the bestial, primal anger within us by denying those emotions to have power over ourselves, and because it requires strength of character to take a road that stops the pain from spreading. A flame only spreads when it has fuel, but those of mercy and forgiveness [REAL forgiveness, the personal kind, the one where you get beat the fuck up and you don't go and shoot the guy later] don't feed the flame and we realize the benefit it brings to society.

Again. It requires strength of character...but it took Yahweh how many centuries and annihilations and genocides before his supposedly all-merciful ass supposedly decided to forgive humanity?? And even then he had to do it in the most convoluted and non-sensical way imaginable, making it exceedingly overblown, unbelievable, and easily-doubted, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SUDDENLY INTRODUCING THE CONCEPT OF ETERNAL DAMNATION AND AGONY AND TORTURE out of the fucking blue for anyone who DIDN'T believe this unbelievable tale, thus ensuring that people would continue suffering, and not just in THIS lifetime, but for ALL ETERNITY!

Have you even TRIED to consider this shit AT ALL? Have you run it through your head even once?? WHY do you believe this shit so unquestioningly WHEN THERE ARE NO ANSWERS?!! You've already shown in previous posts that you're incapable of answering my questions! You just spout platitudes about the joys of being ignorant, with no basis or foundation for any of them! HOW ARE YOU NOT ASKING YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS?! Do you truly respect yourself so little that you don't even care?! Do you have such low opinion of yourself and your family and friends [if indeed you even have any] that you don't even consider the ramifications of these EXTREMELY huge problems?! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!

*takes a deep, shuddering breath*

You must be. There's no other reasonable conclusion I can come to. I don't know why you are the way you are. The only other alternative I can think of that would make sense is... They... They must have gotten to you when you were a very young child. They must've ensured you never asked questions. They brainwashed you so totally, so absolutely...you're not even capable of thinking for yourself in even the most rudimentary forms of rational process. They broke you, man... I want to hate you for your ignorance of these questions that DEMAND a reasonable, moral mind to ask, but...I don't even think I can BLAME you for it, much less hate you for it. Your words aren't even your own, they're echoes from someone else, your thoughts replaced by men who desire power and control over you and yet you genuinely believe every last one of them. You're just...you're a tragedy...

This is the most depressing thing I've seen all week...I was volunteering at the rape crisis center here twice this past week...and this is the saddest thing I've come to realize. I can't explain the horror and distress I feel having realized just what happened to you. I literally just had to fight to hold back tears...that's how bad it is.

I'm shaking, too...because I realize I could have ended up just like you. If I hadn't asked these same questions myself years ago, I could be just like you...incapable of understanding, incapable of thinking for myself...

Fuck, man...I truly hope you find the strength to ask these questions, to just sit and truly ponder them and study them and mull them over, with the desire not to come to the most convenient answer, but to the most honest, unbiased ones instead. I really..really pity you. I can't even begin to explain how much, or why...I don't think, as you are, that you would understand why, even if I explained it in great detail, and that makes it even more tragic.

I need to go outside...I need to go for a walk...

Passionate rationality at it's finest. What's sad is that I used to do the same thing he is doing. I went to an atheist forum on facebook and started attacking away quoting my "infallible" Bible and thinking I knew anything about life. Understand that he probably hasn't considered these things. It's very possible he was just recently indoctrinated. I became a Christian in November 2012 and now I'm a proud atheist. It really has opened up my mind and has opened doors to learning. It truly is only because I questioned the norm that I am here today with more knowledge and morality than I ever had as a christian.