Refuting Evolution

[ideologue08]

Now you are just twisting my words from a different post.

I did not twist your words, take responsibility for your own beliefs. You want black people to be turned away from shops and private institutions in the name of freedom you sick twisted racist. People like you disgust me ugh

[Dragonetti]

No, I do not. I stated that the free market would curb that. You are the sick twisted person. You barely understand what freedom means.

[ideologue08]

Fuck you. Freedom to you means turning away people because of the colour of their skin, you hate-filled scum.

[pocaracas]

Look at it this way: most harmful mutations didn't propagate to the whole species and, since only less than 1% of the species population becomes a fossil, the odds of finding such a fossil are extremely low.
You practically only get fossils from members of the established population.... the ones that got some beneficial mutation.
Here's a nice link to start learning about it: Fossilization processes

do you really believe this BS????

Do species have a protection system to deny non-beneficial mutation?
Yes, and it is very intelligent

If Evolution is not-intelligent non-sense, non-beneficial mutation must outnumber beneficial ones, by a very great number
It would be almost impossible not to find them in the fossil record.

Think again and clean your brain from this BS.

Ok, dumbass... This is from a similar parallel discussion with a christian creationist, like you.

Crow’s “The high spontaneous mutation rate: Is it a health risk?” published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences number 94

Interesting paper...
Didn't read the whole thing, but I did read some particular bits:
- mutations arise primarily from the father zygote, given that the father produces millions of sperm per day, the odds of some error are greater than on the mother's side, who produced all the zygotes before birth... this checks out with something I read recently that stated that there are more autistic kids from older fathers than from younger ones. IF you're over 35, you have a higher tendency to produce an autistic child than if you're 20.
- Deleterious mutations are removed from the population in about 80 generations.
- On the other hand, there's this gem "In [...] people, recessive mutations may persist for thousands of generations. "

It's not about belief, it's actual research... as old as 1994.

[Angrboda]

Er, no, if it's undefined it's undefined; that means it cannot be nothing.


The real tragedy is that there are actual Muslim scholars who are deserving of respect, both past and present. Were it not for Muslim scholars in the middle ages, we might not have the technology and medicine and agriculture that we have today.

But this ass clown feels himself worthy of the title. And he makes a mockery of real Muslim scholars with his pretentious bullshit.


He should change his name to something more fitting, like "Muslim Asshat"

[Muslim Scholar]

- mutations arise primarily from the father zygote, given that the father produces millions of sperm per day, the odds of some error are greater than on the mother's side, who produced all the zygotes before birth... this checks out with something I read recently that stated that there are more autistic kids from older fathers than from younger ones. IF you're over 35, you have a higher tendency to produce an autistic child than if you're 20.
- Deleterious mutations are removed from the population in about 80 generations.
- On the other hand, there's this gem "In [...] people, recessive mutations may persist for thousands of generations. "

It's not about belief, it's actual research... as old as 1994.

You have the same mental problem
I'm asking about another kind of mutations
Not Deleterious, not recessive small neutral
mutations
I'm asking about recessive, non-sense, mutations that persisted for millions of years and can be found in the Fossil record

You must find them, or else........................

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Er, no, if it's undefined it's undefined; that means it cannot be nothing.


The real tragedy is that there are actual Muslim scholars who are deserving of respect, both past and present. Were it not for Muslim scholars in the middle ages, we might not have the technology and medicine and agriculture that we have today.

But this ass clown feels himself worthy of the title. And he makes a mockery of real Muslim scholars with his pretentious bullshit.

I think I should add "The" to my title!

[Esquilax]

You have the same mental problem
I'm asking about another kind of mutations
Not Deleterious, not recessive small neutral
mutations
I'm asking about recessive, non-sense, mutations that persisted for millions of years and can be found in the Fossil record

I posted this a page or so back:

Giraffe necks have nerves that loop around from the base to the head and back again, rather than taking the straight route. Dogs have no color vision. There's a kind of goat that, upon being panicked, completely freezes up and falls over. When bees sting, they die. Dogs have dewclaws that are easily damaged. Colossal Squids have donut shaped brains, and their esophagus runs through the center of it; if they swallow something bigger than the hole, they can get brain damage.

Good enough for you? And these are all in living species today, so that's much better than the fossil record, no?

You must find them, or else........................

Or else he can't find them. The argument from ignorance seems to be giving you a lot of trouble, "Scholar:" your inability to think of a better solution doesn't make your pet one correct.

[Muslim Scholar]

Oh, this is coming from a person/thing reading a text written in 700AD. Which most of the stories stolen from another religious text written even earlier. Which all precludes to this imaginary super being. The being is not powerful enough to stop world hunger, eradicate evil, stop his/her/it's feeling from being hurt, and stop sickness. That is sure one not so powerful being.

I know that you can't wait, I'll give you some challenges to replicate some miracles in Quran, then we will see.

What proof? I do not see picture, data, and new formulas. What does human desires have to do with this? You have the desire to prove your own god in a backhanded way. WOW! Everything you post has been refuted, but you are so blind by your own religion convictions.

By the way my proof is not based on Islam at all,
and many famous Muslim scholar claimed that it is impossible to prove God with no reference to religion.

[Esquilax]

So, apparently I'm just having a lot of trouble posting anything in this thread... dunno why that is, but let's try again.

You have the same mental problem
I'm asking about another kind of mutations
Not Deleterious, not recessive small neutral
mutations
I'm asking about recessive, non-sense, mutations that persisted for millions of years and can be found in the Fossil record

I posted a list of them, from still living animals, about a page or so back. You've been refuted, and yet you continue on with this idiotic line of reasoning. Fascinating.

You must find them, or else........................

Or else he can't find them. The argument from ignorance seems to be giving you a lot of trouble, "Scholar:" your inability to think of/accept a better answer doesn't mean your pet one is true.

[pocaracas]

So, apparently I'm just having a lot of trouble posting anything in this thread... dunno why that is, but let's try again.

You had an extra [ quote ] tag.... that seems to be driving the forum nuts, on occasion.


As for MS, here are some that made it to medical history books....I wonder how you'd expect these kinds of deformities reach a large enough popultion so as to make it likely for us to find a fossil of it...
http://www.weirdworm.com/8-weird-human-mutations/