Question: Is there Evidence that Allah Exists?
The Answer that was found on most Islamic Sites is "Yes. Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist. Miracles of prophets and messengers of Allah have come to people through the ages. Moses showed many miracles to pharaoh and to the children of Israel. Plagues, locusts, water turning to blood, his stick becoming a snake, the voice in the burning bush and the parting of the Red Sea are clear miracles for the people of Moses time. Muhammad was the last and final messenger of Allah, and he was sent to all of mankind. Allah sent him with a number of miracles, not the least of which was the Quran"
My Point-of-View: No, There is no Evidence whatsoever that point to Allah existence.
If you look at the Prophets & messengers till Jesus, they all resemble the Prophets & Messengers in the Bible (Not that Bible is True either, but this is a different topic altogether). And if these so called Prophets & Messengers existed why weren't there any other prophets after Muhammad (Quran doesn't provide a reason for it)? Quoting from the above “Many Proofs to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be to use their own senses” I haven’t seen any proof with my own eyes and as hard as I try to use my own senses I feel that Allah in fact NEVER existed. Another Quote “Miracles of Moses”, The same one who ordered the tribe to kill each other in a fit of rage, because they were worshiping Golden Calf, But this is not mentioned in the Islamic version of Moses but in the Bible. There cannot be a two different version of a story very similar to one another. Another Quote “Clear Miracles” There were around 10 Historian around that time where supposedly Mohammad had the revelation of Allah through Angel Gabriel but none of these Historians made a note of that event. Well If there were miracles being performed at some place people rush to see it & be a part of it & Historians are the ones who make notes of events occurring during their time in their surroundings, But maybe these Historians were busy doing nothing & felt that what the miracles they are hearing of is bogus & didn't feel the need to note it down. Another Quote “Allah sent Muhammad with number of Miracles” Well to all the things that I’ve read about Islam I haven’t heard of any Miracle that Muhammad was able to perform, nor did he claim he was able too..
Some Might Claim Quran is the best proof for the existence of Allah and today over one and half billion people memorize and recite from the exact text, in the exact same language it was revealed in.And the Quran also claims that if it wasn't from Allah and was man-made there will be many contradictions.
Like the Bible, Quran also Claims that it is from Allah (God) & it seems that the verses are copied from the Bible itself, as the same Circular Logic that is applied in the Bible is applied in the Quran as well. When A Book is Supposedly from a Divine Spirit / the Almighty Allah substantial evidence is necessary to prove that claim, but all that is mentioned is Allah made / dictated the Quran & everything written in the Quran is True doesn't make the point that Allah made / dictated the Quran True, For everything that you claim you need to provide a substantial evidence to prove that claim.
These Sites (Islamic Sites) proceed to claim that "No one sees or hears Allah, nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize this entire universe could not possibly come into existence on its own."
Each of the statement contradicts one another... If no one can see or hear Allah that we cannot use our senses (remember we only have 5) to connect to him.
"Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. This is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something we can understand."
This is were religion come into play. Religion be it any, takes advantage of the unknown & says God did it! If you don't know the answer to something God Did it! This is were science comes into play, if our scientists were like the religious people, we wouldn't have discovered anything & still live in the houses made from cow dung. A lot has been discovered since then and science is the only thing that is proving each of Religions wrong. How did we come into existence? if we believe in Quran /Bible we are decedents of Adam & Eve the first human that God supposedly made. but it has been proven & observed we descended from Apes / chimpanzee; specifically two chimpanzee species: Common Chimpanzee and Bonobo
So How can the All-Knowing, All-Wise, All-Good Almighty Get the Basics Wrong? He knew what we'd discover, right? He knew the future of everyone & everything. So how can he get things wrong?
"We know from the teachings of Muhammad the proofs for the existence of God (Allah) is most obvious to us in our everyday surroundings."
In fact Muhammad was nothing but a fast talker, Whenever he was asked by his followers & audience to prove that he is a messenger of Allah all he did was recite something from the Quran.
I am a understanding person, I understand Emotions, I understand Hatred, I understand Happiness, I understand Love, But I don’t understand the existence of God because there is no evidences to prove that this is right. And you cannot call Quran the evidence, because a book that says that its true doesn't mean that its true but it has to show the facts and the evidence that it is.
When I asked one of the Islamist sites to prove god exists he replied:
"Proving" God exists is really not our purpose. We are only interested in providing clear statements based on facts and logic and then allow the individual decide for themselves who they would like to believe. There have always been people who believed in the existence of God and there have always been those who have denied in His existence. We must realize there are those who will never believe no matter how much proof or evidence we produce."
I think you cannot blindly trust a person because he said he had a revelation from Allah & that He (Allah) told him to write a book that says in more than one occasion that whatever is written in it is true.
I am always open to Allah & if He or anyone else at any point in time does prove the existence of Allah I am completely willing to switch back to Islam. Until then My Default Position is Disbelief.
He then replied
"The reason is some people don't want to believe in a Creator or Sustainer. They would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their actions and for their refusal to acknowledge their Benefactor to whom they owe their very existence."
To which I replied
The reason I don’t believe in a Creator or "Sustainer" is because there are no facts & proved points which say that there has to be a Supernatural being that exists. I don’t consider that I have to face the actions of what I do to in some fairytale afterlife, I believe I will face the consequence of my actions this life & that there is no afterlife, You die & your dead there is nothing before life & nothing after life.
I asked him Where did God come from?
His first response was this"
"Prophet Muhammad explained the devil would come to a person and ask them questions about creation; "Who created this or that?" to which the reply would be; "Allah" until he would ask; "Who created Allah?" At this stage the prophet advised us to drop this train of thought. Obviously, God - the real God, must be eternal and not have to be created."
"Both the Bible and the Quran tell us God has always existed and there never was a time He did not exit. As such, He is the Eternal, without beginning and without end. He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us, He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway."
"Take the following example into consideration, Lets say that, in a room there is an infinite amount of Apples, so out of this if we take out 2 apples how many are remaining? infinite right? but Logically its Infinity - 2 & that means its less than infinity, so we should be able to count the number of Apples, But we can't as it just exists in mathematical realm & not in reality.
Now say we have 100 Apples in the room & every possible moment i add 1 more apple, will you now be able to count? Yes, 101, 102..... 110..& so on, will I reach a number that I can describe as infinite? No. because at every possible moment i can always add another apple.
So in this sense, what the famous mathematician David Hilbert said that "Infinite is no where to be found in reality it neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate bases for rational thoughts. The role that remains in the infinity at play is solely that of an idea." But Past Events are real & not just Ideas, so the number of past events cannot be infinite & therefore there was a beginning for the universe & therefore a Cause for the Universe"
- REMEMBER this point.
Now here is my thought on this, Nothing can come from nothing & by this I literally mean nothing, Can You bring an elephant out of thin Air? No, this applies to everything there cannot be any exception.
Hence there cannot be an infinite regress and that there has to be a cause for something or that something doesn't exists. And Yet Allah says He is the uncaused Cause which is totally a fallacy. it is just as reasonable to believe that the universe is uncaused rather than believing that the God is un-caused.
I am not a Cosmologist, but there are many cosmologist who say that there was no time and space before the universe,and that nothing was before that. So why would you want to call that nothing God?
Its an interesting trick, that there has to something before everything but there is nothing before God. Well what caused God? Did he exist in Infinity? But The Above point says that there is no such thing as infinity & just an Idea.
So How can God exists?
The Answer that was found on most Islamic Sites is "Yes. Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist. Miracles of prophets and messengers of Allah have come to people through the ages. Moses showed many miracles to pharaoh and to the children of Israel. Plagues, locusts, water turning to blood, his stick becoming a snake, the voice in the burning bush and the parting of the Red Sea are clear miracles for the people of Moses time. Muhammad was the last and final messenger of Allah, and he was sent to all of mankind. Allah sent him with a number of miracles, not the least of which was the Quran"
My Point-of-View: No, There is no Evidence whatsoever that point to Allah existence.
If you look at the Prophets & messengers till Jesus, they all resemble the Prophets & Messengers in the Bible (Not that Bible is True either, but this is a different topic altogether). And if these so called Prophets & Messengers existed why weren't there any other prophets after Muhammad (Quran doesn't provide a reason for it)? Quoting from the above “Many Proofs to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be to use their own senses” I haven’t seen any proof with my own eyes and as hard as I try to use my own senses I feel that Allah in fact NEVER existed. Another Quote “Miracles of Moses”, The same one who ordered the tribe to kill each other in a fit of rage, because they were worshiping Golden Calf, But this is not mentioned in the Islamic version of Moses but in the Bible. There cannot be a two different version of a story very similar to one another. Another Quote “Clear Miracles” There were around 10 Historian around that time where supposedly Mohammad had the revelation of Allah through Angel Gabriel but none of these Historians made a note of that event. Well If there were miracles being performed at some place people rush to see it & be a part of it & Historians are the ones who make notes of events occurring during their time in their surroundings, But maybe these Historians were busy doing nothing & felt that what the miracles they are hearing of is bogus & didn't feel the need to note it down. Another Quote “Allah sent Muhammad with number of Miracles” Well to all the things that I’ve read about Islam I haven’t heard of any Miracle that Muhammad was able to perform, nor did he claim he was able too..
Some Might Claim Quran is the best proof for the existence of Allah and today over one and half billion people memorize and recite from the exact text, in the exact same language it was revealed in.And the Quran also claims that if it wasn't from Allah and was man-made there will be many contradictions.
Like the Bible, Quran also Claims that it is from Allah (God) & it seems that the verses are copied from the Bible itself, as the same Circular Logic that is applied in the Bible is applied in the Quran as well. When A Book is Supposedly from a Divine Spirit / the Almighty Allah substantial evidence is necessary to prove that claim, but all that is mentioned is Allah made / dictated the Quran & everything written in the Quran is True doesn't make the point that Allah made / dictated the Quran True, For everything that you claim you need to provide a substantial evidence to prove that claim.
These Sites (Islamic Sites) proceed to claim that "No one sees or hears Allah, nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize this entire universe could not possibly come into existence on its own."
Each of the statement contradicts one another... If no one can see or hear Allah that we cannot use our senses (remember we only have 5) to connect to him.
"Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. This is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something we can understand."
This is were religion come into play. Religion be it any, takes advantage of the unknown & says God did it! If you don't know the answer to something God Did it! This is were science comes into play, if our scientists were like the religious people, we wouldn't have discovered anything & still live in the houses made from cow dung. A lot has been discovered since then and science is the only thing that is proving each of Religions wrong. How did we come into existence? if we believe in Quran /Bible we are decedents of Adam & Eve the first human that God supposedly made. but it has been proven & observed we descended from Apes / chimpanzee; specifically two chimpanzee species: Common Chimpanzee and Bonobo
So How can the All-Knowing, All-Wise, All-Good Almighty Get the Basics Wrong? He knew what we'd discover, right? He knew the future of everyone & everything. So how can he get things wrong?
"We know from the teachings of Muhammad the proofs for the existence of God (Allah) is most obvious to us in our everyday surroundings."
In fact Muhammad was nothing but a fast talker, Whenever he was asked by his followers & audience to prove that he is a messenger of Allah all he did was recite something from the Quran.
I am a understanding person, I understand Emotions, I understand Hatred, I understand Happiness, I understand Love, But I don’t understand the existence of God because there is no evidences to prove that this is right. And you cannot call Quran the evidence, because a book that says that its true doesn't mean that its true but it has to show the facts and the evidence that it is.
When I asked one of the Islamist sites to prove god exists he replied:
"Proving" God exists is really not our purpose. We are only interested in providing clear statements based on facts and logic and then allow the individual decide for themselves who they would like to believe. There have always been people who believed in the existence of God and there have always been those who have denied in His existence. We must realize there are those who will never believe no matter how much proof or evidence we produce."
I think you cannot blindly trust a person because he said he had a revelation from Allah & that He (Allah) told him to write a book that says in more than one occasion that whatever is written in it is true.
I am always open to Allah & if He or anyone else at any point in time does prove the existence of Allah I am completely willing to switch back to Islam. Until then My Default Position is Disbelief.
He then replied
"The reason is some people don't want to believe in a Creator or Sustainer. They would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their actions and for their refusal to acknowledge their Benefactor to whom they owe their very existence."
To which I replied
The reason I don’t believe in a Creator or "Sustainer" is because there are no facts & proved points which say that there has to be a Supernatural being that exists. I don’t consider that I have to face the actions of what I do to in some fairytale afterlife, I believe I will face the consequence of my actions this life & that there is no afterlife, You die & your dead there is nothing before life & nothing after life.
I asked him Where did God come from?
His first response was this"
"Prophet Muhammad explained the devil would come to a person and ask them questions about creation; "Who created this or that?" to which the reply would be; "Allah" until he would ask; "Who created Allah?" At this stage the prophet advised us to drop this train of thought. Obviously, God - the real God, must be eternal and not have to be created."
"Both the Bible and the Quran tell us God has always existed and there never was a time He did not exit. As such, He is the Eternal, without beginning and without end. He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us, He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway."
"Take the following example into consideration, Lets say that, in a room there is an infinite amount of Apples, so out of this if we take out 2 apples how many are remaining? infinite right? but Logically its Infinity - 2 & that means its less than infinity, so we should be able to count the number of Apples, But we can't as it just exists in mathematical realm & not in reality.
Now say we have 100 Apples in the room & every possible moment i add 1 more apple, will you now be able to count? Yes, 101, 102..... 110..& so on, will I reach a number that I can describe as infinite? No. because at every possible moment i can always add another apple.
So in this sense, what the famous mathematician David Hilbert said that "Infinite is no where to be found in reality it neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate bases for rational thoughts. The role that remains in the infinity at play is solely that of an idea." But Past Events are real & not just Ideas, so the number of past events cannot be infinite & therefore there was a beginning for the universe & therefore a Cause for the Universe"
- REMEMBER this point.
Now here is my thought on this, Nothing can come from nothing & by this I literally mean nothing, Can You bring an elephant out of thin Air? No, this applies to everything there cannot be any exception.
Hence there cannot be an infinite regress and that there has to be a cause for something or that something doesn't exists. And Yet Allah says He is the uncaused Cause which is totally a fallacy. it is just as reasonable to believe that the universe is uncaused rather than believing that the God is un-caused.
I am not a Cosmologist, but there are many cosmologist who say that there was no time and space before the universe,and that nothing was before that. So why would you want to call that nothing God?
Its an interesting trick, that there has to something before everything but there is nothing before God. Well what caused God? Did he exist in Infinity? But The Above point says that there is no such thing as infinity & just an Idea.
So How can God exists?
