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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 2:57 pm
So youre saying theres no morality even though that monkey in the cage with you would rather starve for weeks rather than take food in exchange for pusshing a button that zaps you with electricity? Its a real experiment (sadly). I guess we can and do choose immoral acts as humans but that doesn't mean that it isn't immoral to do so.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm)dazzn Wrote: yes, i do. it's characterised by a lack of empathy. Even if that was the sole qualification for sociopathy (not saying it isn't) that still does not equate to all subjectivists being sociopaths. Lack of empathy is not required to think morality is subjective. I lack empathy towards a lot of things most people would be empathetic towards, and that probably goes with all moral subjectivists, but I (and probably most other moral subjectivists) feel it from time to time still.
So, we've established again that all sociopaths are moral subjectivists but not all moral subjectivists are sociopaths. Have a good day.
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 3:02 pm by dazzn.)
i believe that morals don't exist.
somebody kindly prove me wrong.
(June 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: (June 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm)dazzn Wrote: yes, i do. it's characterised by a lack of empathy. Even if that was the sole qualification for sociopathy (not saying it isn't) that still does not equate to all subjectivists being sociopaths. Lack of empathy is not required to think morality is subjective. I lack empathy towards a lot of things most people would be empathetic towards, and that probably goes with all moral subjectivists, but I (and probably most other moral subjectivists) feel it from time to time still.
So, we've established again that all sociopaths are moral subjectivists but not all moral subjectivists are sociopaths. Have a good day.
lol.. so you've essentially proven the point I'm making.
it's not a rational inquiry into whether morals are actually objective or not, but just to rationalise the personal feelings and world view of some lol..
(June 5, 2013 at 2:57 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: So youre saying theres no morality even though that monkey in the cage with you would rather starve for weeks rather than take food in exchange for pusshing a button that zaps you with electricity? Its a real experiment (sadly). I guess we can and do choose immoral acts as humans but that doesn't mean that it isn't immoral to do so.
My position is thus:
- joe subjectivist doesn't give a shit about things and think anything goes
- joe subjectivist then devises moral subjectivism as a theory to rationalise his thinking
As said, anybody who understands human motivation will come to the same conclusion lol..
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm by Gilgamesh.)
(June 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm)dazzn Wrote: i believe that morals don't exist.
somebody kindly prove me wrong. I can't prove your opinion wrong and I don't care too. If you made the statement that morals don't exist, I could prove you wrong (I and every other member of the board have already, though.)
Quote:it's not a rational inquiry into whether morals are actually objective or not, but just to rationalise the personal feelings and world view of some lol..
I wasn't answering any question of whether or not morals are objective or not. Do you even know what you're saying? Methinks you're just throwing key-words around (rational, inquiry, objective, morals) in a desperate attempt to form a defence for your position. I refuted the assertion that all subjectivists are sociopaths.
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 3:11 pm
my view is above, that moral subjectivists merely use the theory to justify/mask sociopathy.
i don't get why i can't cite my own thinking here lol..
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 3:13 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 3:13 pm by Gilgamesh.)
(June 5, 2013 at 3:11 pm)dazzn Wrote: my view is above, that moral subjectivists merely use the theory to justify/mask sociopathy. I know. I have responded to you several times. I'm well aware of your view and the contents of your posts.
Quote:i don't get why i can't cite my own thinking here lol..
You can and have.
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm by Mystical.)
You can state your thinking, you just make no sense to me. I'm trying to understand you, categorize you, and catalogue you into the correct receptacle. Should I take you seriously at all if you believe every subjective moralist is a sociopath? Probably not. What's more, you've also moved the goal post to require that we prove morality when you've been asked to prove sociopathy in ALL moral subjectivists. Even a theist can say there are morals, although they attribute it to deism. My question about you laying out your belief system so I don't peg you as a sociopath has been ignored twice now though.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm)dazzn Wrote: i believe that morals don't exist.
Do you at least understand that this stance is characteristic of sociopaths?
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm
(June 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I'm trying to understand you, categorize you, and catalogue you into the correct receptacle.
LET ME HELP
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RE: Do you believe in cheating?
June 5, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Called that one,Tonus 
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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