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How would Abrahamic religions end?
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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
Had a very similar experience. Santa was the first step in a long path towards agnostic to non-Abrahamic unitarian thinking. The answer to when Abrahamic religions end is I believe in the next 100 years. The signs are everywhere, and it starts with throwing out 2000 years as the marker -- because even if you call it CE it denotes the epoch of Abrahamic conversion of Rome. At first I thought let's come up with a more recent epochal moment -- say the American revolution, but that is not universal enough. So I've decided to go scientific its year 12013, and human history is as long and as grand as we can imagine.

(May 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm)Eric9001 Wrote: I broke from Christianity and became an atheist at a very young age, I believe my reasoning and connections that I made back then explained out could be put to use for this cause. The most important part of becoming an atheist was realizing that Santa Claus is not real in the third grade. After realizing that Santa Claus is fake, I had to realize why kids are being lied to about this reality. I came to believe the goal in lying about the existence of Santa Claus is to improve children's behavior with reward of presents with good behavior, or with penalty of coal with bad behavior. I related presents to heaven and coal to hell, as heaven is the reward for good behavior or believing in God (which is thought of as a good thing), just like the presents, and hell is the punishment for the opposite, just like the coal. Santa Claus is the supposed judge of whether individual children receive presents or coal, and the deliverer of them, while God in Christianity is the supposed judge of whether individual children and adults deserve to go to Heaven or Hell. I thought that if children, on a large scale, could be fooled by the existence of Santa Claus, and forced into keeping that belief and acting in certain ways based on the promise of presents of coal based on their doings, adults can be fooled likewise by the existence of God. If the penalty for not believing in God or doing bad things was not as harsh as eternal suffering and torture, and instead was to receive coal, and the reward for the opposite was less great, and instead just receiving minor gifts, more people would be likely to question the existence of God. But as it is, many adults are not only afraid to not believe in God, they are afraid of even questioning the existence of God, because they feel this process might make them an atheist and then they will suffer eternally after their death. I related the concept of the Christian God to all of the other concepts of God, so I did not try any other religions that I knew about. It took me a while to declare myself atheist. For a while, I was afraid, because I was not aware of the benefits of atheism, and viewed it as a bad thing. In late middleschool I realized how great humanism is as an alternative, though I did not know it was called humanism until very recently (I am 16.). Now I have other reasons to believe there is/are no god/gods, but I cannot deny that relating Santa Claus to God was the biggest step for me.

So, I don't know... maybe make a parody of the song "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" that instead of saying "Santa Claus" says "God"?...
"God is coming to town...
He knows when you are sleeping,
He know when you're awake,
He knows if you've been bad or good,
So be good, for goodness sake."
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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
(May 28, 2013 at 10:43 am)mota Wrote: I've been asking myself this question for a while. First, I was excited for the idea of finding another life form on another planet. But then I thought: "they will always find an excuse for god". Sure, it won't happen overnight, but I believe as we progress and communicate with each other, it will eventually happen. I guess the hope is in the children. As the older one gets, the more stubborn he/she usually becomes.

So I'd like to ask you guys for some practical ideas that we, as individuals, can do to educate children and help them breakout of the mysteries they've been taught by their parents/cultures.

As a software developer, I'm thinking games. Perhaps books would also work as well, but in some cultures, children just don't read (I'm looking at you, Saudis!). Any other ideas? Do you know of any games, books or any other form of achieving this goal that's been tried before?


I believe in other lifeforms in different planets after I had seen an Ufo from so close distance . But still I'm muslim , so the life forms in different planets cannot be an obstance to believe in God .

Children should not be forced in any belief type , includes atheistm and its sub branches . So this is a fine line , everything should be explained them without affecting their decisions . This is the right way instead of giving an education away from religion. Children should gain a mindset of questioning.

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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
(May 28, 2013 at 10:43 am)mota Wrote: I've been asking myself this question for a while. First, I was excited for the idea of finding another life form on another planet. But then I thought: "they will always find an excuse for god". Sure, it won't happen overnight, but I believe as we progress and communicate with each other, it will eventually happen. I guess the hope is in the children. As the older one gets, the more stubborn he/she usually becomes.

Wait till the people of outerspace find out the hard way that we're God's chosen species on God's chosen planet. (located in the center of the universe no doubt). There are already attempts to syncretize religious scripture and science fiction to this effect.

Quote:So I'd like to ask you guys for some practical ideas that we, as individuals, can do to educate children and help them breakout of the mysteries they've been taught by their parents/cultures.

As a software developer, I'm thinking games. Perhaps books would also work as well, but in some cultures, children just don't read (I'm looking at you, Saudis!). Any other ideas? Do you know of any games, books or any other form of achieving this goal that's been tried before?

Not our job.
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#14
RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
Maybe in 500 years when humanity will evolve and become smarter religion will become mythology and obsolete Big Grin
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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
(December 7, 2013 at 11:53 am)Nineteen Wrote:
(May 28, 2013 at 10:43 am)mota Wrote: I've been asking myself this question for a while. First, I was excited for the idea of finding another life form on another planet. But then I thought: "they will always find an excuse for god". Sure, it won't happen overnight, but I believe as we progress and communicate with each other, it will eventually happen. I guess the hope is in the children. As the older one gets, the more stubborn he/she usually becomes.

So I'd like to ask you guys for some practical ideas that we, as individuals, can do to educate children and help them breakout of the mysteries they've been taught by their parents/cultures.

As a software developer, I'm thinking games. Perhaps books would also work as well, but in some cultures, children just don't read (I'm looking at you, Saudis!). Any other ideas? Do you know of any games, books or any other form of achieving this goal that's been tried before?


I believe in other lifeforms in different planets after I had seen an Ufo from so close distance . But still I'm muslim , so the life forms in different planets cannot be an obstance to believe in God .

Children should not be forced in any belief type , includes atheistm and its sub branches . So this is a fine line , everything should be explained them without affecting their decisions . This is the right way instead of giving an education away from religion. Children should gain a mindset of questioning.

Oh you believe you've seen aliens as well huh?

Well this shit just keeps getting better!
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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
(December 7, 2013 at 11:53 am)Nineteen Wrote:
(May 28, 2013 at 10:43 am)mota Wrote: I've been asking myself this question for a while. First, I was excited for the idea of finding another life form on another planet. But then I thought: "they will always find an excuse for god". Sure, it won't happen overnight, but I believe as we progress and communicate with each other, it will eventually happen. I guess the hope is in the children. As the older one gets, the more stubborn he/she usually becomes.

So I'd like to ask you guys for some practical ideas that we, as individuals, can do to educate children and help them breakout of the mysteries they've been taught by their parents/cultures.

As a software developer, I'm thinking games. Perhaps books would also work as well, but in some cultures, children just don't read (I'm looking at you, Saudis!). Any other ideas? Do you know of any games, books or any other form of achieving this goal that's been tried before?


I believe in other lifeforms in different planets after I had seen an Ufo from so close distance . But still I'm muslim , so the life forms in different planets cannot be an obstance to believe in God .

Children should not be forced in any belief type , includes atheistm and its sub branches . So this is a fine line , everything should be explained them without affecting their decisions . This is the right way instead of giving an education away from religion. Children should gain a mindset of questioning.

When and how did you question your religion?
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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
(May 28, 2013 at 10:43 am)mota Wrote: I've been asking myself this question for a while. First, I was excited for the idea of finding another life form on another planet. But then I thought: "they will always find an excuse for god". Sure, it won't happen overnight, but I believe as we progress and communicate with each other, it will eventually happen. I guess the hope is in the children. As the older one gets, the more stubborn he/she usually becomes.

So I'd like to ask you guys for some practical ideas that we, as individuals, can do to educate children and help them breakout of the mysteries they've been taught by their parents/cultures.

As a software developer, I'm thinking games. Perhaps books would also work as well, but in some cultures, children just don't read (I'm looking at you, Saudis!). Any other ideas? Do you know of any games, books or any other form of achieving this goal that's been tried before?

As to Abrahamic Religions (the major ones: Christianity, Islam, and Judaism) in which they all practice (Christianity in some regions of the world weak as to this practice) is Male Genital Mutilation "i.e. the cultural soft term - Circumcision". If young males, meaning New Born Infants till reaching legal age of majority (Legal Adulthood) cannot by law & custom have their penises mutilated ceremonially or medically; that is they are allowed keep their body whole as designed by nature. If this practice is stopped...it will also send subtle shockwaves through the legitimacy of "Religions / Dogmas" that practice this unthinking barbarism. And the same goes for Female Genital Mutilation. This would be a win-win for health of Men & Women....and at the same time nibble at the wickedness of Dogmas created from fear & control, not love & the scientific method.

As to Abrahamic Religions (the major ones: Christianity, Islam, and Judaism) in which they all practice (Christianity in some regions of the world weak as to this practice) is Male Genital Mutilation "i.e. the cultural soft term - Circumcision". If young males, meaning New Born Infants till reaching legal age of majority (Legal Adulthood) cannot by law & custom have their penises mutilated ceremonially or medically; that is they are allowed keep their body whole as designed by nature. If this practice is stopped...it will also send subtle shockwaves through the legitimacy of "Religions / Dogmas" that practice this unthinking barbarism. And the same goes for Female Genital Mutilation. This would be a win-win for health of Men & Women....and at the same time nibble at the wickedness of Dogmas created from fear & control, not love & the scientific method.
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#18
RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
Zombie thread!!

Kill it with fire!
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: How would Abrahamic religions end?
(August 2, 2018 at 4:59 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Zombie thread!!

Kill it with fire!

No. Two in the heart, one in the head.

Then burn it.

You can never be too sure.
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