what is god actually

[Rhizomorph13]

TBF,

No, the number of coins would be equal to the number of times I went backwards in time to place coins in the stash spot. Why does everything have to break out into infinity all the time? People need to understand that reality works within limits and exerted force has diminished effect rather quickly. There is a workable range that should be talked about that is rarely zero and never anywhere near infinity.

As for time not being spatial, I was not saying that it was really. I was describing my understanding of reality up to 6 dimensions. I would need to study more to understand how the other dimensions make sense.

Rhizo

[theVOID]

The three dimensions of time would be xt by yt while we travel along the zt axis of time with all possible choices represented in xt and yt. The entire universe is but a point inside three dimensional time. That is how I comprehend it anyway, so if you could perceive time you would see our universe as a string that only occupies space along the zt axis. The habitable universes would be represented by a slightly thicker noodle that encompasses our perceived universe.

I have seen some two dimensional imaginings of four dimensions and I must say I honestly don't understand them.

Rhizo

You've gone fundamentally wrong in one key area, you have placed time outside the universe.

Time as we know it (as a dimension) was created in the big bang with space, matter and energy. The big bang did not explode into space-time, rather it expanded bringing space and time with it. As such time is a single dimension within our universe, each 'alternative' or 'parallel' stream of time is not an instance within our universe, but instances of entire universes with their own single dimension of time inside a higher dimension that, if you were able to perceive, would allow you to see time as if it was a tree, for lack of a better analogy.

[Rhizomorph13]

Void,

I just read what you wrote and see that you are almost understanding my perception of time. Instead of seeing time as a tree, imagine that it matches the continuous nature of most other things we can measure, then you will understand why I speak of time as three dimensions with any universe being a point in any time slice with each time slice being a plane encompassing all possible permutations of "choice" which includes all universal randomness i.e. is it raining or is it not at this time slice in this localized area. To any observer their experience of the universe will be four dimensional with time being the one dimension they have no practical control over.

I used to think of time as linear in the past with branching time tunnels forward to account for choice but that didn't seem balanced enough, nor did it account for all possible choices or possible states of random variable of the program, "reality."

YAY time mindfucks,
Rhizo

[littlegrimlin1]

@theblindferrengi

I never thought it was possible to travel back in time, thats what I has expaining. Yes, gravitation (extreme), and extreme speeds would change time slightly. I remember reading about the people in the shuttle, the article said they had went about a large fraction of a second into the future. I thought that was cool though.

[theVOID]

Void,

I just read what you wrote and see that you are almost understanding my perception of time. Instead of seeing time as a tree, imagine that it matches the continuous nature of most other things we can measure, then you will understand why I speak of time as three dimensions with any universe being a point in any time slice with each time slice being a plane encompassing all possible permutations of "choice" which includes all universal randomness i.e. is it raining or is it not at this time slice in this localized area. To any observer their experience of the universe will be four dimensional with time being the one dimension they have no practical control over.

I used to think of time as linear in the past with branching time tunnels forward to account for choice but that didn't seem balanced enough, nor did it account for all possible choices or possible states of random variable of the program, "reality."

YAY time mindfucks,
Rhizo

I see what you are saying, but it still doesn't make 3-dimensional time any less of a nonsensical idea. Time is a single dimension contained within a universe and as such you can't 'slice time' to see all variable streams across parallel universes, you can however look from the higher dimension and see the parallel universes at a given point in time along a fixed axis. The dimension higher than time would convey the x,y,z & t axis of the universes, allowing you to see all events at all points of space and time across universes, each event having it's own space-time coordinate, each universe being a self contained bubble.

I think this is what you were trying to say, but anyway, point is this is not a dimension of time, it is an almost 'spacial' dimension containing 4-dimensional universes.

If this isn't what you were talking about then i have one question, what measurements are contained in your 3 dimensions?

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@theblindferrengi

I never thought it was possible to travel back in time, thats what I has expaining. Yes, gravitation (extreme), and extreme speeds would change time slightly. I remember reading about the people in the shuttle, the article said they had went about a large fraction of a second into the future. I thought that was cool though.

You could use a wormhole to connect xyzt(1) with xyzt(2) where 1 & 2 represent different points in spacetime.

[Rhizomorph13]

Void,

You got it pretty much but we are just niggling over definitions which is fine because my idea is simply a thought experiment that isn't backed up by math or anything. I think of the three dimensions as space with tz being duration and then two dimensions to account for choice tx and tz. So maybe one for intelligent choices and one for naturalistic potentials? admittedly there probably isn't a great need for the ty other than the ease of the concept of perceiving from a six dimensional perspective with the three physical dimensions being perceived as points. By slice I meant this moment as expressed by an infinite plane tx by ty.

Rhizo

[theVOID]

Void,

You got it pretty much but we are just niggling over definitions which is fine because my idea is simply a thought experiment that isn't backed up by math or anything. I think of the three dimensions as space with tz being duration and then two dimensions to account for choice tx and tz. So maybe one for intelligent choices and one for naturalistic potentials? admittedly there probably isn't a great need for the ty other than the ease of the concept of perceiving from a six dimensional perspective with the three physical dimensions being perceived as points. By slice I meant this moment as expressed by an infinite plane tx by ty.

Rhizo

So?:

tz = Flow of time
tx = Choices
ty = Redundant

One thing, why do you think naturalistic and intelligent choices would posit any different status in time? What inside time knows the difference? And what is the difference between naturalistic and intelligent choices when intelligence is a product of a naturalistic device (brain) and choices come into effect through the body?

Also, TX would not be time anyway, it would be the higher dimension, a plane with multiple 4 dimensional bubbles.

You're stepping into your dualism again Rhizo, like the soul thing, you're making unsupported assumptions and then devising a framework around a presupposition...

[littlegrimlin1]

I agree with the thought of linear time. Such as a point being in the form (x,y,z,t). I'll have to search on theories, I am but a template at this stage of my life!

[theVOID]

I agree with the thought of linear time. Such as a point being in the form (x,y,z,t). I'll have to search on theories, I am but a template at this stage of my life!

Time is not entirely linear, just mostly.

[Rhizomorph13]

One thing, why do you think naturalistic and intelligent choices would posit any different status in time? What inside time knows the difference? And what is the difference between naturalistic and intelligent choices when intelligence is a product of a naturalistic device (brain) and choices come into effect through the body?

Good point, but there is a 10 dimensional model so my 5 or six dimensions doesn't jive with science much better than a three or four dimensional model.

Also, TX would not be time anyway, it would be the higher dimension, a plane with multiple 4 dimensional bubbles.

A dimension is only ever a line, never a plane. A plane is two dimensions, by definition, in geometry.

You're stepping into your dualism again Rhizo, like the soul thing, you're making unsupported assumptions and then devising a framework around a presupposition...

This statement is an ad hominem attack that fails to strengthen your case. My six dimensional model of the universe has nothing to do with dualism or a soul. Keep in mind that you are just making assumptions as well. I haven't seen any links to peer-reviewed studies or anything. Come on Void play nice. Like I have said all along, this is just my model that helps me comprehend space-time. At no point have I said, this is how reality works. I have yet to take on the daunting task of reading up on string theory. I'm not playing to win, I'm playing to learn. You've made good points all along, please keep it up!

Thanks,
Rhizo