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Why god cannot heal amputees ?
#21
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
Maybe because He could not create a world out of nothing, He could not create a leg or arm out of nothing.

Religious creation is different from scientific creation. Scientific creation is plausible suggesting that raw, disorderly particles form under immense energy compression. These particles are basic in their structure, starting off immediately as individuals. Religious creation suggest that complex matter like a human leg can spawn instantaneously. As if a clone is suddenly created...
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#22
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm)Walking Void Wrote: Maybe because He could not create a world out of nothing, he could not create a leg or arm out of nothing?

If reptiles can do it on their own, why not god?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#23
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 8, 2013 at 3:51 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(June 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm)Walking Void Wrote: Maybe because He could not create a world out of nothing, he could not create a leg or arm out of nothing?

If reptiles can do it on their own, why not god?

Hmm mmm mmf mmf!

(bad attempt at chuckling)

Reptiles do not create body parts out of nothing. Like stem cells in humans, their bodies use their own energy and multiplying cells to regrow those same limbs out from the stumps.

Likewise, if You dissolve a sugar cube into water, and wait, after a few days a sugar crystal will form in the water.

Edit: Furthermore, You are proposing that We have all of the required components for hyper cell-replacement to occur. Especially, since We have a creature capable of advanced healing, like the amphibious salamander (however not a reptile), We have an animal that metabolizes energy for bone and muscle.
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#24
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 8, 2013 at 2:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(June 8, 2013 at 1:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: Exactly why do you believe God should give an amputee a new limb. That is not healing, the wound was healed, if it had not healed the person would have died. I believe that a person would rather be alive, besides all the amputees I've seen interviewed after the Boston bombing were not crying to get their limb back, they accepted what happened and going to continue to live their life. You on the other hand just want something to complain about, you would waste your life moaning and groaning, while these good people live their lives.

GC, let me ask you: do you think that, if you were to interview the victims of the Boston bombing, even a single one of them would tell you they wouldn't get their missing limb back if given the opportunity?

You seem to be mistaking "making the best of a bad situation," with "being happy that a bad situation happened," and that's just... that's just baffling.

You're baffling, GC.

You have to be the stupidest person on the planet, I did not say they were happy with losing their limbs, I said they were not going to be cry babies such as yourself, they were going on with life, something you apparently know nothing about. None of them expect to have their limbs to be regrown IMO they seem to understand what you have no idea about, life is important and when bad things happen one goes on.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#25
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(June 8, 2013 at 2:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: GC, let me ask you: do you think that, if you were to interview the victims of the Boston bombing, even a single one of them would tell you they wouldn't get their missing limb back if given the opportunity?

You seem to be mistaking "making the best of a bad situation," with "being happy that a bad situation happened," and that's just... that's just baffling.

You're baffling, GC.

You have to be the stupidest person on the planet, I did not say they were happy with losing their limbs, I said they were not going to be cry babies such as yourself, they were going on with life, something you apparently know nothing about. None of them expect to have their limbs to be regrown IMO they seem to understand what you have no idea about, life is important and when bad things happen one goes on.

For somebody with all four limbs intact, you seem strangely confident in how those that don't share the same benefit feel. How do you know they weren't crying and cursing God in their hospital beds, wishing for their limbs back? Were you by their bedsides?

I don't doubt that many of them will accept that there is no option for limbs growing back and will move on with their lives as it is, but the whole point of bringing up this topic was to question why a supposedly loving God allows such suffering to happen without intervening.
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#26
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: You have to be the stupidest person on the planet

You absolute fuckwipe. I hate you.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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#27
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm)Walking Void Wrote: Edit: Furthermore, You are proposing that We have all of the required components for hyper cell-replacement to occur. Especially, since We have a creature capable of advanced healing, like the amphibious salamander (however not a reptile), We have an animal that metabolizes energy for bone and muscle.

No, I was proposing that a task that is basic for a reptile appears to be impossible for an omnipotent deity.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#28
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: ...but the whole point of bringing up this topic was to question why a supposedly loving God allows such suffering to happen without intervening.

No, the point of the argument is to highlight that all of these so-called "miracles" in which a person is magically healed are internal and unverifiable. A man successfully fights off cancer. A woman beats a deadly infection. Why is there never any visible healing from a miracle that cannot have a natural explanation?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#29
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
(June 9, 2013 at 4:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(June 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: ...but the whole point of bringing up this topic was to question why a supposedly loving God allows such suffering to happen without intervening.

No, the point of the argument is to highlight that all of these so-called "miracles" in which a person is magically healed are internal and unverifiable. A man successfully fights off cancer. A woman beats a deadly infection. Why is there never any visible healing from a miracle that cannot have a natural explanation?

Whoopsies, my bad. That's what happens when one fails to read the previous pages. Tongue
freedomfromfallacy » I'm weighing my tears to see if the happy ones weigh the same as the sad ones.
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#30
RE: Why god cannot heal amputees ?
I don't think it was explicitly stated. The previous don't do much to clear that up.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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